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Poll: Gallic Junkers - Benjamin - 07-28-2009
' Wrote:Not sure what the 'gitmo' ishttp://discoveryfl.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gitano
also this is a good time to declare barragers the worst guns in the game
Poll: Gallic Junkers - Hawkwings - 07-28-2009
gallic junkers should have their own ID I think. As for guns, I actually think that Gallic Junkers should be able to use all gallic guns. After all, they did help provide pretty much all the technology that the rest of Sirius had to Gallia, and I'm sure Gallic groups would rather give the junkers some guns and let them be off rather than continuing to owe them.
Poll: Gallic Junkers - Tenacity - 07-28-2009
I dont think you guys are getting the point. Let me put it more plainly:
Take two countries. Give them both the same car. Completely seperate the countries, give them different languages, different cultures, different proficiencies and natural resources.
Then, wait three hundred years. Do you honestly think that both of these countries, after that long a duration, are going to have cars that look exactly alike? No. They would have taken different design paths, though the vehicles they're using three hundred years later may look like they came from the same base model, they're going to have differences.
That's what I'm trying to get at. Gallia and Sirius Junkers have been seperated for several hundred years, with only a handful of members from the Sirius junkers ever having any form of contact with Gallia. Sirius junkers did not have access to the same materials as Gallic junkers, they were not performing the same roles within Sirian society, and their ships have gained influence from the other Sirius factions over these centuries.
I'm not trying to seperate the junkers into two seperate factions. Keep the same rep, they're all junkers, but junkers behind the minefield in gallia should not be flying the same ships or using the same equipment as the junkers that have developed across Sirius.
Now, this is a good opportunity to re-purpose and re-model the ships mentioned so far - the Gitano as a Gallic Junker Light Fighter, the Bulldog as a Gallic Junker Heavy Fighter, and the Waran as a Gallic Junker Bomber. Few, if any, players are using these ships right now, and with new models and infocards they would easily fill the purposes of the Gallic Junkers.
Poll: Gallic Junkers - tansytansey - 07-28-2009
I'm not familiar with the situation of Gallia, but I was under the impression Sirius Junkers gave technology to Gallic Civilians, correct?
Now, take your antfarm of the two seperate countries, but add in a 'technology exchange agreement' and see what happens. Unless I'm mistaken, Sirius Junkers and Gallic Junkers weren't completely cut off... otherwise how would they give the stolen tech back to Gallia?
Poll: Gallic Junkers - Tenacity - 07-28-2009
According to the rumors in Gallia, only a handful of Sirius Junkers knew about Gallia - and at that, it was only the leaders of the Sirius Junkers who knew. Exchanges in technology were made at the edge of the minefield. Further rumors indicate that gallic junkers who were making runs through the minefield to retrieve the goods were not allowed to go far beyond it.
The technology that was brought through from Sirius was not given to gallic civilians either, it was given (or rather sold) to the gallic government. The government then decided how best to use that technology.
So, while the two groups may have similarities and a singular origin, they have been seperated for a long enough time, to a large enough extent, that they should not be using identical ships or equipment.
And once again, as I stated before, Gallic Junkers have far more enemies than Sirius Junkers do. Sirius Junkers have been relying on neutrality and political savvy to protect themselves, while the Gallic Junkers have to deal with gallic criminals coming after them day in and day out. That would lead to more combat-oriented ship development, unlike the smuggling and salvage oriented ships that the Sirius junkers have come to rely on.
Poll: Gallic Junkers - tansytansey - 07-28-2009
Makes sense.
Poll: Gallic Junkers - Pihe - 07-28-2009
Tenacity, while i agree with you that they shouldn't use completely the same tech. I must tell you that the gallic unlawfuls have only recently discovered that the gallic junkers were working for the crown as agents. (recently means a few decades nothing more) This information was in the "rumor" section on one of the junker bases.
So they shouldn't be more militaristic than the common junkers. While their tech could be a bit different, the truth is that they had quasi the same role in Gallia and everywhere else also the connection is obvious, the few individuals who were working in sirius as covert agents could have easily sent the plans of the sirius junker ships to the gall relatives. The only difference is that they were patronized by the lawful forces. As covert agents they could have get their hands on some military grade tech.
In my opinion they should have their own ID, and a few slightly retextured ships from the gallic navy (more rusty textures). That means 1-2 types, maybe a bit different weaponry (similar to the gallic lawful guns). BUT everything could be just explained by the fact that they were covert agents, how hard is it to hide your actions as a spy when you're flying with different ship than the rest of the galaxy. The gallic junker leaders could have just chosen to use the sirius junker ships, so when an agent comes or goes it doesn't really gives itself away by some tech never known before.
Poll: Gallic Junkers - Karlotta - 07-28-2009
I voted 'none of the above'.
If this is going to cause someone to say 'you cant use that its oorp cause you are gallian' Im against it. I think its ok that junkers use the same ships system wide. To me junkers should nt be carrying how tehir ships look, they should be purely functional 'junk' without worrying about national identity or stylle.
I never go to gallia... I get shot too much and thats just no fun. I also thing its a pitty ou hardly see any of the gallian stuff in the other houses, its kinda all limited to the gallic systems
Poll: Gallic Junkers - sobuor - 07-28-2009
i'm am at this time doing an Gallic Junker RP i have had little trouble doing this whit what there is nothing is needed to be done
Poll: Gallic Junkers - tazuras - 07-28-2009
I didnt read any of the thread because I really dont feel like spending the time to discuss this but I will say I voted for "get their own ID" I think gallic junkers should get at least this. As for ships, I think they should be fine with the civilian ship line and weapons I am on the fence on, though, again, I think gallic civ should be fine.