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Problematic scenario - Yngen - 04-16-2007
' Wrote:Not wrong, i think it sohuld be allowed, for if a fighter pirates a train and then gets hassled (as in the train starts beating him), he should be able to call in backup.
Also, if the Capship shuts up and stands behind the fighter or GB pirating then there should be no problem, just a show of force.
So traders should basically capitulate in any pirating situation because the pirate is bound to 'call in backup' from the Cruisers and Battleships if any resistance is shown. Are you seriously getting killed by Trains when you fly a fighter?
Why don't we just save ourselves the trouble and make a rule that all traders must pay pirates whenever they see them? Or, as Doom says, give them Battleship escorts, (we have enough of those sitting about that we can spare them for milk and cheese runs apparently.)
Capital ships are for home system defense and war, nothing more. Get yourself in a Gunboat if the traders are out flying you, you shouldn't have any trouble hurting them with one of those, even in this version.
Problematic scenario - Panzer - 04-16-2007
Heh, that escorting fighter was me... Was fun to be chased by such a battlegroup all around Kusari and into the taus.
Problematic scenario - Thomas East - 04-16-2007
I dont see what all the Fuss is about. Some Pirats Resorted to the Cruser and GB's because Tradrs would not pay up. We constanly try our best to pirate traders, but than when they are safe they Switch chars to there battleship's. and Hunt us down, its not fear for an Ordanery new commer Pirate. To many people thease days have Battleships. And its not Fair, If u would jsut pay us the money we demand we would leave u alone for a minnimum of 2hrs, its not that hard!! Pirates need money as well.
Thomas East
Edit: And im sure most pirates would agree with me.
Problematic scenario - Panzer - 04-16-2007
"But who said they need it from me?"
It's a complicated set of relations. trade is boring, frustrating and doesn't give enough of an effect to make the loss of 5 mil acceptable. Pirates want ever better ships and to get them, they need to pirate. Usually sums, unacceptable for a trader to lose. This applies to gunboats especially. New weapons for them are costly, armor, cruise disruptor ammo, perhaps a swap to a better ship? this all costs millions. Trade income balanced though it may be, it is insufficient to satisfy both the merchant and the pirate. That is why usually traders run.
Players own battleships because quite in contrast to what it may seem, they find trade - a boring and infuriating, time-wasting activity as an obligatory condition for having fun - in a capital ship. Thus, battleships are not only combat vessels, they also serve as monuments of achievement. Having a battleship is in most cases, a new player's goal. Newbies trade like mad and buy their dream ships, which they found the best or saw someone else flying. Now, in order to counter this, old players have to buy themselves something heavier. Another newbie sees an old player's BS and wants to have one too. Et ad infinitum like this.
Problematic scenario - caylith - 04-16-2007
Personally I don't think cap ships should even come in to the scenario. When your jumping on trains you (Or this is how I do it) jump on them as they are coming into or out of a system, normally in an asteroid field. Bringing in cap ships there is pretty dicey.
Also, there are many, many, many traders flying around Sirius these days. You don't have to sit in Honshu to get them, hunt them in Sigma 13, etc. Add some spice to it!! Keep the trader guessing, I say. If one gets away, DON'T harrass them. They'll be back around your way sooner or later. Use train cruise disruptors. And cruise disruptors don't work all the time...if the train gets away, well then good on him. I'll kill him soon enough *evil grin*
Two fighters can stop a train and intimidate it enough...there's no need to bring in a cruiser or, hell, even a battleship!
If anyone in a train switches chars and comes after you because of what happened to his trader...then they have major RP problems.
So, can we keep the cap ships away from helping pirates pirate?
My two cents
Problematic scenario - Fellow Hoodlum - 04-16-2007
Just a quickie there Thomas ... Errr, what the hell are you doing pirating in a cruiser, or involved with people
who are ??? Havn't we done this one to death ... Still not allowed in the server rules as far as I can see.
Hoodlum
Problematic scenario - Thomas East - 04-16-2007
Well for one thing its eligal to use a Capship in pirating, thats aganst ther rules. And i like your style Caylith, i might take that up;).
@Templar If u get pirated its just the luck of the draw, sorry mate, S**t happens:P
@Fellow Hoodlem Im not in a Cruser im in a Fighter. A Ravens Tallon to be exact. But "I" never said that "I" was in a Cruser did i;), Lol i said
Quote:Some Pirats Resorted to the Cruser and GB's because Tradrs would not pay up.
I know, its Dishonrabul pirating in a cruser, i proffer to do it the old fasion way, in a Fighter
Problematic scenario - Doom - 04-16-2007
hehehe....
well my trader got pirated many times...but never in all the time on disco i was chased by such a big battle group...or it was demanded such big amount of money...there are no commodity in disco of which u can make 5 mill profit in miner ship (1400 cargo)...so pirates need to be smart when they ask for money...no trader will give u 5 mill for safe passage...it is way too easy money for you
and please don't tell me u have hard time to pirate traders..i have two xeno chars and of them is GB...when i wish to pirate with that ship..i will surely get some money...but i use it rarely for that purposes...xenos don't pirate u know...;)
Quote:I know, its Dishonrabul pirating in a cruser, i proffer to do it the old fasion way, in a Fighter
why would it be dishonorable?...it is not...it is too easy.....and that is the reason that is against the rules..
Problematic scenario - BestFlyerHere - 04-16-2007
Guys, first of all, if you're sick of pirates, PAY THEM!!!! The most I've ever been demanded is 5 million, and think about it. On the Honshu route, you make that in 1 prisoner run. Just pay up, and it won't be hard.
Quote:We constanly try our best to pirate traders, but than when they are safe they Switch chars to there battleship's. and Hunt us down, its not fear for an Ordanery new commer Pirate. To many people thease days have Battleships
The reason (me at least) is that you pirated my HF tagged trader. Watch out for those tags, or you will have a whole clan after you. You attacked me, thats why I killed you in my HF battleship. (Maybe not you, but thats what I do.)
Quote:Why don't we just save ourselves the trouble and make a rule that all traders must pay pirates whenever they see them? Or, as Doom says, give them Battleship escorts, (we have enough of those sitting about that we can spare them for milk and cheese runs apparently.)
Or just trade in a Battleship. Even my Osiris has 1500 cargo hold. Hmmm, not a bad idea.
Problematic scenario - Nightfall - 04-16-2007
BFH, you seem to be one of those with a MAJOR RP problem unless that trader of yours is HF tagged in which case, you should ignore this sentence.
Now back to Templar. Yes, it's ok to have a battleship (cruiser/gunboat, whatever), hell, why not having an entire battlegroup? I do. Do you see me hanging around in my battleship? No. I bet most of the people don't know it's name. My battleship didn't leave Omicron Alpha/Omicron-85 except for a few RP trips to Omicron Theta and Omega-41. That's what battleships are meant for - defense of a system/strategic point or a war situation (including trade/traffic interdiction), definitely not for chasing traders 20 jumps away from home.
On the other hand, the pirate should think of the amount of money he's asking, know the cargo capacity of a ship, the profit on the run and so on. It's just plain stupid to ask for the whole profit or too much anyway. Think, a ship carrying 1000 cargo can't make the same profit as a ship with 4500 cargo. 25% of the value on the destination point is an acceptable price, the pirate can't carry as much and the trader will survive. There is honor amongst the pirates too and besides, you want the trader to do the same route and pay you more tomorrow. Both of you win.
Also, Thomas, I thought the NovaPG were following the Bushido. The way of the Samurai. I'll have to talk to Redbaron about this when I see him.