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Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - jxie93 - 11-18-2010
Nope.
I wouldn't say a war with Rheinland would be a walk in the park, although they're in decline and recession. Liberty has the economic advantage with a large collection of corporations and trade. In terms of military strength, in my opinion, they're likely to be equally matched. Every house relies on each other, if they go to war they will all suffer as a consequence.
Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - Corsair - 11-18-2010
' Wrote:Canon also states that Liberty's resources are almost completely dried up, and that they're very heavily dependant on outside sources for much of their supplies.
Come .86, Bretonia will suddenly be unable to supply Liberty, and Kusari will probably stop as well, since they're peaceful with Gallia. Rheinland will still have systems like Omega 7, Dresden and Munich, feeding in a constant supply of materials.
Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - ProwlerPC - 11-18-2010
I like to keep in mind that Rheinland is very experienced in the art of war due to the Eighty Year War, Nomad War and now this war against Liberty. It wouldn't be a far stretch that they maintain a very well though out battle manual that addresses past defeats and refines past victories.
Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - Lonely_Ghost - 11-18-2010
Also, Liberty doesnt have any mining corporation. On the other hand, 2 mining corporation in Rheinland. In resource question, Rheinland takes lidership.
Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - SnakThree - 11-18-2010
Liberty has better geographical position as is in the middle of Sirius sector making it a crossing point of many trading convoys, that spends lots of money for hangovers. Not to mention weekest criminals compared to what other houses have to deal with. Even with mining minerals exhausted Liberty has advanced the most in technology sphere due to the fact that Ageira holds monopoly over trade lands and jump gates, what makes constant cash flow. And because of this (excluding weak criminals) Liberty Navy has the most numerous fleet. However I would say that Navy officers are inferior to Rheinland's Military in terms of skills, as RM is truly military organisation.
Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - Howard10 - 11-18-2010
' Wrote:But where did Liberty get all of the resources and logistics to produce that? They mined out their resources before 500 AS.Where did Rhienland get all of the resources and minerals to produce their fleets? They mined out all their resources in 800AS. Think back to the rumours in the original game during the single player. There's a mention to Rhienland's industrial overdrive. I seem to remember an NPC saying "even if they win, they lose." The mod simply forgot to address this problem.
I don't really blame them though. I can see why Igiss wouldn't want to bother working out how a House with a collapsing industrial centre, failing corporations and a decimated military would function. Too complicated I suppose. Even so, it does leave glaring logic holes when lore-purist arguments are raised regarding the matter. It's just the jump from one battleship and mass desertions / pilots holding additional jobs as corporate escorts to a military holding back Liberty with battleships deployed all over their core territory, even behind the front line.
' Wrote:But the geography of Liberty works against itself. It's like a funnel. Texas is the only way into New York, and Rheinland would have two entry points open to them to get in. Reinforcements would have to arrive from New York one at a time. Feasibly, if Rheinland were to blitzkrieg capture Texas, Liberty wouldn't be able to re-take it since only one ship could jump through at a time, which would get obliterated by the garrison.If you watch friendly NPC convoys, you'll see three or four ships go through at once. Similarly, hit formation and you'll be dragged through with your target ship. Mobilisation wouldn't take that long considering Freelancer's battleships are quasi-carriers anyway. Battleships and their cruiser escorts could jump through as a combat formation, then disgorge their fighter contingents.
The SP mission where you enter Rheinland comes to mind, with the dozens of capital ships positioned at every Jump Gate.
Throw the 'X' amount of PDF flight squadrons stationed on Houston (the Navy would have snub-ship bases all over the planet, I'd wager) and the battleship in orbit, and things would stay relatively tight, security-wise. So I'd think anyway.
Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - dodike - 11-18-2010
Mighty Rheinland lost to bunch of gas miners
Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - jxie93 - 11-18-2010
' Wrote:Mighty Rheinland lost to bunch of gas miners
That bunch of gas miners was well armed, manned and trained. Rheinland didn't lose either, per se. If it had lost then GMG would have control over Rheinland systems.
Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - dodike - 11-18-2010
' Wrote:That bunch of gas miners was well armed, manned and trained. Rheinland didn't lose either, per se. If it had lost then GMG would have control over Rheinland systems.
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Is Liberty REALLY more powerful than Rheinland? - Akura - 11-18-2010
Game made by Americans with a space America, of course Liberty is the most powerful and advanced.
Took a Ruskie like Igiss to create a European house more powerful.