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"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - FallenKnight - 07-29-2011
' Wrote:What is needed is to give Dragoon its major flaws that would prevent it from becoming the only fighter used by Armed Forces. Well, can you basically compare its supposed maneuverability to some other ships, for example? What would it be? A Guardian? An Odin? [/color]
I can assure you that Dragoon will never replace the good old Templar. High ranked members dont find the templar that bad, but some of the new members and community at all would jump to the maneverable ships than bulky ones. A lot people asked if they can keep eagles in BAF, which is laughable since in RP we have the paladin. But the paladin is outdated and broken. The Dragoon would give a chance to those players that find themselve well in maneverable ships.
Speaking of "the only fighter used", the LN could use Avengers but they would go for Guardian instead. Its different people's requirments.
' Wrote:Well, can you basically compare its supposed maneuverability to some other ships, for example? What would it be? A Guardian? An Odin? [/color]All ships with armor hull points of 10-12 are similar to: Sabres, Guardians, Odins, Wraiths, Chimaeras. The Paladin/Dragoon must NOT become better than them cuz its not a primary ship as Templar is. Our team suggestions were from the start, the Dragoon maneuverability to be similar to the Guardian, but it can be considered to turn nearly good as sabre, from theoritical point of view.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - FallenKnight - 07-29-2011
' Wrote:I miss the point in which you changed the Paladin from HF to VHF. Other than you wanted another VHF. Did you try to talk with Mjolnir about the HF Paladin first, and to buff it instead of changing it to a VHF?
The factions using good heavy fighters are few and bretonia ship line is heavy. The old Paladin was like a buffed Hussar from armor and power core side, but it model was like a shape met for VHF. There is no class between HF and VHF, but Dragoon must be somewhere between them. Check Paladin's info card, the original paladin design is an old model, which we made to look similar to the future Templar.
Think of it like that, the ship before the Templar is the Dragoon or Templar MK1 where Templar MK2 is the today's official BAF ship.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - sadtranslation - 07-29-2011
Well, I already said that I would love to see this ship on practice, so, good luck with it. I would switch to it from my Templar if it would be released. Aside from that I can't add a thing.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - FallenKnight - 07-29-2011
' Wrote:Well, I already said that I would love to see this ship on practice, so, good luck with it. I would switch to it from my Templar if it would be released. Aside from that I can't add a thing.
Well thank you a lot for giving your direct oppinion on the thread. The entire question is about the model. The answers will let us know if we are gona continue to work on it or not. Status and future improvements could be easily changed but the creation of entirerly new model is far more harder.
Other members, if you are not interested to comment or give an oppinion, at least vote to support our work.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - Dab - 07-29-2011
The stat issue is something the dev team would handle.
As for the model, much much much better than the Paladin. And the size makes sense, rather than the giant paladin being an HF.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - Irwin - 07-30-2011
I'm a fan of the model, but it shouldn't be a VHF, Bretonia needs a HF replacement, not an additional VHF. And, like Dab said, the Dev Team determines stats.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - sadtranslation - 07-30-2011
Actually, with the trend of balancing Heavy Fighters to make them an interesting to play class totally capable to counter the Very Heavy ones, the classification becomes rather void. It doesn't really mean how would one call the Bretonian fighter with reduced armor and firepower, but the maneuverability enough to counter the ultra-light gear of Gaians or to outturn the deadly Lynxes.
Eh, I just said "let the balance team decide" in a fancy way.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - BaconSoda - 07-30-2011
I feel like someone took a Hussar, put an engine on it, and then put a pair of wings on the sides. It doesn't look very inspired at all. It looks kind of flimsy around the bottom, too. Like, if I hit an asteroid, that engine would just fall off, and everyone would start screaming. I would also be in favor of a new HF, because Bretonia already has a VHF.
Proposing stats is kind of irrelevant. The dev team will work those out. Compare it to ships of a similar size and class and then go from there. Standard operating procedure.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - Azan27 - 07-30-2011
I speak from experience when I say that this model is the product of hard work and dedication. Good job guys.
I'm not going to comment on the stats, as that is not my strong point. The asthetics of this ship are very interesting, and I feel that once the model has had some more smoothing out and gets a rought texture done, it will be quite pleasing to look at. Because it splices together parts of previous bretonian ships, it does a very good job of maintaining that 'Bretonian' look that sets it apart from all other ship lines. I am interested in where the Bretonian emblem is going to be placed, as it is a necessity and it doesn't look like there is a lot of surface area on the main hull...
Either way, the paladin needs a replacement, and Dragoon is a very good Bretonian fighter name, so kudos!
' Wrote:It looks kind of flimsy around the bottom, too. Like, if I hit an asteroid, that engine would just fall off, and everyone would start screaming.
This feeling is understandable, as this is a much lighter ship then the flying lead brick that is the templar. Lighter ships should look less solid, and this accomplishes that.
"Dragoon", Paladin replacement - Swallow - 07-30-2011
me approves model