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Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Stuart.croll - 01-05-2012
Official factions already have an elitist attitude in many cases.
Don't give them power to go with it.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Maelstrom - 01-05-2012
Quote:There won't be any real abuse if the system is designed properly.
You can't design a system that both gives power to an individual or clique and prevents abuse. The people with the power are biased, everybody is biased. Those biases will be shown in the use of the power. They already are in the current system and it filters the biases through several levels of beuracracy. A system that removes existing safeguards and replaces them with nothing cannot be anything but more corrupt.
Dictatorships are generally very efficient. I think I can do without that efficiency.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - McNeo - 01-05-2012
I love efficiency. It's my byword. You know that absolute efficiency is where a task gets done instantly, and the person doing the task expends no energy, doesn't get paid and does it for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
That's utopia right there.
Yes, we will be on opposite ends. Then again, I am totally dictator material.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012
Quote:- is it a right to REQUEST? - then the admins are judges - and its not at all up to the faction.
This.
Purely and simply, no.
Factions do not need more power, espeically the leaders.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:I love efficiency. It's my byword. You know that absolute efficiency is where a task gets done instantly, and the person doing the task expends no energy, doesn't get paid and does it for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?
That's utopia right there.
Yes, we will be on opposite ends. Then again, I am totally dictator material.
I agree - a faction right is something which is endemic to a faction (and by a virtue of that, their leader) for them to exercise of their own volition. Otherwise they would be called faction privileges.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - dodike - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:There won't be any real abuse if the system is designed properly.Removing human factor completely is an interesting concept.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:No, because Disco is not emotion/bias-less. And then admins would have to solve 1000 counter FR5 complaints. It wouldn't reduce the amount of paperwork if not the opposite. Also the ammount of hate and QQ would go rocket high.
I would argue it puts more of an onus on people to RP properly and get more involved in the Discovery community. It does not matter if you are pessimistic or optimistic about the majority of people's ability to RP - if you are pessimistic and believe the majority of people cannot RP well, then this provides an efficient means to remove members of that majority. If you are optimistic and believe the majority of people are capable of RPing, then the existence of faction rights is a moot point.
Regardless, admin input is still required, albeit in an initial capacity when it comes to deciding if a group is capable of becoming an official faction.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012
Quote:And then admins would have to solve 1000 counter FR5 complaints. It wouldn't reduce the amount of paperwork if not the opposite. Also the ammount of hate and QQ would go rocket high.
The truth.
FR5'ing on the spot = people coming on the forums to vent and try to get un fr5'ed which would cause even more work...
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:The truth.
FR5'ing on the spot = people coming on the forums to vent and try to get un fr5'ed which would cause even more work...
On a probability scale, how more likely is it for a person being FR5ed to have a valid reason than it being a case of foolishness on behalf of the faction leader?
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - McNeo - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:Removing human factor completely is an interesting concept.
And completely impossible as humans create the self-sustaining frameworks that do not use human input during their operation.
That said, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. RP is all about human input, after all.