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Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - pchwang - 04-07-2008
FL is more based on the times of WWI/WWII, not present day, in both combat structure, gameplay(pirating, etc...), and politics.
During those times, each nation, regardless of alliances, had their own equipment. Why? (And, I mean why as in for what, not addressing you, Why?) Simply because all of the nations were on the same level in terms of political, economic, and military power. In contrast to today, where the USA and one or two other countries more or less dominate the world's power scene. In FL, like the world of WWI/WWII, the houses(nations) are on the same plane.
Ingame, they do make it obvious that Liberty has the most powerful navy in general, followed closely by Rheinland, then Kusari, and Bretonia. But it is also clear that none of the houses can easily take another out one on one.
As a result, if we look at how the alliances worked then, ship sharing should not really take place in a similar situation(the FL universe). In WWII, the British had the Spitfire...you never saw them with Hawker Hurricanes or Mustangs. The Russians had their own thing. The Japanese didn't fly Stukas, and the Germans sure didn't field AM6 Zeros.
I can, however, understand if Hessians choose to use Sabres over the Odin, or if Lib Navy uses Avengers instead of Guardians.
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - Simsonator - 04-07-2008
Indeed, i believe the game follows the line of all the factions trying to compete to make the best ships. The ones each one has created should be the pride and joy of their fleet. The TBH follow this with the titan, with only one exception being given. We follow it in the HT, sure, we could barter with the Outcast PC factions and obtain Sabres. But for us the RP is the most important fact, and in that we are proud to fly the Big assed babe with the green face mask (odin)
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - jimmy Patterson - 04-07-2008
ok nerw fighter is the JSF 35 Joint Strike fighter and in world war two we sold a bunch of ships to brittan well technically we loaned them but you never loan a weapon of war and expect to get it back hell we even offered the germans (for a much higher price mind you)but ships got around at least until lpearl harbor anyway
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - mwerte - 04-07-2008
You're forgetting that in WWI and WWII the US sold many ships (not ships of the line but slightly older ones as well as weapons, ammo, and other equipment to other allies, and Germany but that's besides the point. Germany and Japan didn't use each others planes because of logistics mostly. I'm sure they would have if possible.
The US even sent pilots over to England before the war started to serve in the RAF. (no, not Red Army Fighter). So CAN allies share weapons/ships? sure, but make SURE that there is a forum post/thread about it.
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - bluntpencil2001 - 04-07-2008
' Wrote:You're forgetting that in WWI and WWII the US sold many ships (not ships of the line but slightly older ones as well as weapons, ammo, and other equipment to other allies, and Germany but that's besides the point. Germany and Japan didn't use each others planes because of logistics mostly. I'm sure they would have if possible.
The US even sent pilots over to England before the war started to serve in the RAF. (no, not Red Army Fighter). So CAN allies share weapons/ships? sure, but make SURE that there is a forum post/thread about it.
I think that this covers the Borderworlds line and the bird-of-prey line perfectly. When it comes to Blood Dragon or Hessian fighters, though, logistics should come into it.
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - jimmy Patterson - 04-07-2008
yeah i strongly thin kwe should take a ww2 type stance on this to a degree for equipment and stuff hell possably bring back the Qships of the rhinlanders or something
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - Dab - 04-07-2008
' Wrote:Hmm, note that US exports like this tend to be surpassed by the craft they use in their own forces.Yes, US gear does surpass the craft they generally sell out. BUT the US doesn't even have many F22s themselves. As you saw in Why?'s post, they are 336 million a pop.. Thats a lot of cash.. They are replacing the F-16s in America, but slowly. Once roughly half the F-16s are replaced, if not sooner, the US will begin to sell them off to other countries.
I would personally sell inferior gear to potential future threats. Makes sense to me.
And the planes you see advertised and uised by the US military, technically are already out-of-date. The US Air Force is usually working on a plane for about 15 years before its knowledge is widely released. Right now they are working on unmanned planes that are more agile as F-22s, and faster as well, as they don't have to have any of the systems put in place to have the pilot.. These planes are significantly smaller, and as such, more advanced. They already have prototypes of them. These won't be highly advertised as the F22s are right now, for over a decade.. If at all, considering that they are unmanned and could enable a country to pump out vast quantities of them (not as expensive as an F22 in total..) and send them into combat without losing valuable pilots.
Also, about WWII politics.. The British had mostly Spitfires yes, but they did also have a good dose of Hawker Hurricanes. Even a few Mustangs. I would think a big reason the US did not provide the Brits with planes is because it would make it blantantly obvious which side the US was taking if Russia saw Britain flying with Mustangs and the earlier P-40 models.. Also, on the issue of the Russians, you are wrong.. A good bit of the Russian's aircraft were P-40 and later P- model fighters. For fighter-bombers they used IL-2s, which were Russian-designed, and they also had their own bomber craft, but they used a lot of the same fighters as the US did, until the later years of the war.
And the stuff about the US aiding Britan was also true. There were volunteer pilots from the US Air Force that shipped to Britain and flew in British squadrons. We also sold a large amount of ships from our Atlantic fleets, and a very large amount of oil, ammunition, and other resources were sold/given to the British.
The only ships that allies shouldn't share are the highly advanced models. Bombers and VHFs should generally be shared. Gunboats would be a bit harder to get to, cruisers would be very difficult, and battleships would be extremely rare, especially considering how few are made by Pirate organizations. Lane Hacker Spyglass should never be owned by anyone but a Lane Hacker, whether your an ally or not, because the LH don't have the resources to produce battleships in large amounts.
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - marauder - 04-07-2008
Personally, I see it like this:-
If two player factions ally and their infocards support that then it's up to them what they do and how they do it in their alliance. All I want is at least one, detailed RP post/thread stating that they are allied, what the goals of the alliance are, what the terms are etc.
At least then they can point to some proof of their ingame dealings here on the forums.
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - bluntpencil2001 - 04-07-2008
' Wrote:Personally, I see it like this:-
If two player factions ally and their infocards support that then it's up to them what they do and how they do it in their alliance. All I want is at least one, detailed RP post/thread stating that they are allied, what the goals of the alliance are, what the terms are etc.
At least then they can point to some proof of their ingame dealings here on the forums.
This is good, I guess, but I still disapprove of any non-BD flying the Blood Dragon, whose infocard explicitly states 'no sharing'.
I feel that enough factions share ships with the Bird-of-Prey line and the Borderworlds line... this is similar to real life, as things are shared... up to a point.
Alliances, how they should be treated and Ship sharing - skoko - 04-07-2008
Well i think that it all depends how long alliance lasts and how strong it is....
If both parties have strong history and if alliance had been proved more than once both in battle and through
diplomatic actions in RP sense.... I think they can share low level technology ... and with exceptions or limitations high level tech too...
That alliances don't come over night and it takes both sides to be fully prepared to engage technology exchange.
This kind of alliances are very rare.... only my opinion...