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RE: ZA: End war talk - Oorn - 09-02-2013
Hey, ZA guys, saying anything now will only make you look like bigger idiots, thanks to Tel-Aviv earlier in this thread none would take you seriusly. Instead, just give us links to RP you had with order and off-zoners guys. No matter what you are trying to say, it is only perception, not facts. Give us facts so we can actually judge the situation.
And don't try to argue with people who can't/refuse to see beyond their nose. They will twist any facts their way.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Tonto1911 - 09-02-2013
(09-02-2013, 12:24 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote:(09-02-2013, 11:34 AM)Crackpunch Wrote: A Zoner is not a race, it is a lifestyle. If you do not conform to the Zoner lifestyle, then you are not a Zoner.
*chuckle* again lifestyle...lifestyle really??? thats the best argument you can offer...
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Its not an argument, its established lore. A little research goes a long way. Diplomacy and money is a true Zoner's defense, the art of appeasing your enemies with words. True Zoners can tell their enemies to F off and then have said enemies thank them. What your group does is NOT the Zoner way. You go against established lore, act like barbarians in a once peaceful system, and then cry foul when everything comes crashing down on your heads. Here is some light reading, maybe you'll learn something about the role ZA has tarnished.
http://discoverygc.com/wiki/Zoner
RE: ZA: End war talk - Zoner-Trader - 09-02-2013
(09-02-2013, 12:33 PM)Oorn Wrote: Hey, ZA guys, saying anything now will only make you look like bigger idiots, thanks to Tel-Aviv earlier in this thread none would take you seriusly. Instead, just give us links to RP you had with order and off-zoners guys. No matter what you are trying to say, it is only perception, not facts. Give us facts so we can actually judge the situation.
And don't try to argue with people who can't/refuse to see beyond their nose. They will twist any facts their way.
Very true...but then we have in the past given the links only to be out shouted *chuckle* but yes your point is valid about trying to fix something that by in large cant be.
The ZA will continue and maybe...just maybe we can reach a point that people can except who we are and not what they think we should be..we will see.
I just want to enjoy the game but politics as always is part and parcel. So lets see what the next few months bring for the ZA, good or bad.
(09-02-2013, 12:36 PM)Tonto1911 Wrote: Its not an argument, its established lore. A little research goes a long way. Diplomacy and money is a true Zoner's defense, the art of appeasing your enemies with words. True Zoners can tell their enemies to F off and then have said enemies thank them. What your group does is NOT the Zoner way. You go against established lore, act like barbarians in a once peaceful system, and then cry foul when everything comes crashing down on your heads. Here is some light reading, maybe you'll learn something about the role ZA has tarnished.
*chuckle* i know the Lore, but lets see cry foul...nope iv never done that and as for the Lore iv read up on all of the past events...somethings failed and somethings worked. But never be indoubt that some have abused their own Lore as you put it, or extended the original ZOI though their own making and that of their fellow skypers. Be sure how you state things...i wouldnt want you to think i thought you were a Order crony...try justifiying their stance on our Zoner way's.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Zen_Mechanics - 09-02-2013
(09-02-2013, 12:36 PM)Tonto1911 Wrote:(09-02-2013, 12:24 PM)Zoner-Trader Wrote:(09-02-2013, 11:34 AM)Crackpunch Wrote: A Zoner is not a race, it is a lifestyle. If you do not conform to the Zoner lifestyle, then you are not a Zoner.
*chuckle* again lifestyle...lifestyle really??? thats the best argument you can offer...
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Its not an argument, its established lore. A little research goes a long way. Diplomacy and money is a true Zoner's defense, the art of appeasing your enemies with words. True Zoners can tell their enemies to F off and then have said enemies thank them. What your group does is NOT the Zoner way. You go against established lore, act like barbarians in a once peaceful system, and then cry foul when everything comes crashing down on your heads. Here is some light reading, maybe you'll learn something about the role ZA has tarnished.
http://discoverygc.com/wiki/Zoner
Established lore? Zoners don't have a "lore" - unless zoners are united on one banner that is - until that happends, zoners can be north korea for all I care - "A ittle research goes a long way".
RE: ZA: End war talk - sindroms - 09-02-2013
They do have a lore. It is just that it is a very flimsy one.
My suggestion is to get vanilla FL installed, use Datastorm to compile all zoner-related base rumors. That might help.
There was a site with that once, I cannot seem to find it any more tho.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Zen_Mechanics - 09-02-2013
(09-02-2013, 01:10 PM)sindroms Wrote: They do have a lore. It is just that it is a very flimsy one.
My suggestion is to get vanilla FL installed, use Datastorm to compile all zoner-related base rumors. That might help.
There was a site with that once, I cannot seem to find it any more tho.
The vanilla allies of the zoners were pretty much Unioners, Xeno's, Lane hackers IMG,GMG, and BHG ( who still carry out missions on zoner bases ).
Disco allies : GMG - None - Depending on the sub-faction
RE: ZA: End war talk - SMI-Great.Fox - 09-02-2013
Tel-Aviv. ZT.
I know its difficult for you both to understand the point in which the grand majority who have spoken against you about the ZA. But the actions of this ZA, are far, far worse then the last.I do not know myself why it failed, mainly because at the time, I was still a rookie in the game, and I didnt take much heed or care into the matter.
You both are attempting to keep putting up wall after wall in to support the current ZA and their actions, yet with each one you attempt to put up, it crumbles because you built it atop of wet sand. Yet the support in which people are placing against the ZA in total have far more stablility in their actions, and follow one of the founding principles upon this server. All of them, each person, has roleplayed every single engagement, conflict, and resolution that came before them, and they did the same with you. Not once did they break such and despite every single attempt to make peace, I lost count around five or six attempts, the ZA came forward with simply mud to throw at them.
While I personally did not want to get involved in such, I see little reason to hold back in saying this. The ZA in which you currently drive, have caused so many problems, that most veterans and rookies who have simply watched this conflict, have done nothing more than shake their heads in grief from the lack of fundementals in which you all choose to ignore.
So for the better of the server and the entire community, I besiege you to simply let the ZA go, and try something different. You all gave it a shot but the entire community, despite every chance to help you all out, you simply threw it in their faces. Let it go. And for the sake of the community. Please. Just let the ZA fall to the sidelines of Disco and don't bring it back, in any other similar shape or form.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Zen_Mechanics - 09-02-2013
Not going to happend - You sound like a clergy attempting to convert an unbeliever in a hospital bed - I will not cring under someone elses wishes, they will have to grief more - you dont always get what you want - I wouldn't trust Disco to hold a lemonade stand - so clearly following their "sense" is rubbish. The majority as you point out are people who by a default position take the "winining" side - Yes thats true, a forum -contest side of who scores more points and valid arguements - but one thing you cannot argue, you have no right whatsoever to tell people to shove it just because it doesn't go as you want it to go - and the admins were kind enough not to get involved and until they do get involved - This thing goes on with the full blessings of me.
Edit 2 : Just to set my reputation clear, Ive seen atleast 30 posts about ZA , and im the one whos called a "cry-baby" - not a single thread have been made under me name asking people to stop anything - perhaps the oorp stuff. The majority are a joke.
Edit 3 : To give the other one some satisfaction, ZA have started the mess and has learned its mistakes, but from day 2 the ones who allowed tis to escalate are the excact people who complain here ( no responsibilites for them I'm afraid ) - Omicron who took a serious faction and turned it into a laughing stock negelected to add that the ZA are the joke - I tell you, If i dont hear something like that every day I begin to worry that theres something wrong with me, so I hope they carry it on.
RE: ZA: End war talk - SMI-Great.Fox - 09-02-2013
Do you blame me for practicing what I preach when it comes to trying to help you see the error of your ways in which how it has affected the entire community? Well. Blame everyone in TAZ for teaching me such. Few have complained against their actions in total for the combined existance of OSI, TAZ, and Phoenix than the ZA did the moment the bases in 74 went hostile.
I do hope you realize the chain of events that the ZA have created as of late. Demands to lore changes. ID adjustments, removals, that sort of thing. How many people must the ZA affect in order for you to understand the problems you have all created? How many factions must be brought across a line not one of them wanted to cross? How many chances must such be given before people the people giving them simply say [words not to be said on the forum] to it all?
I'm tired of seeing such. And Im tired of players such as the ZA entirerly forget that this is an RP server, not their playground in which they can make whatever rules they want.
The last thing you should be worried about is your reputation mate. Mine may be bad but by god, at least I know when to admit I was wrong, and I dont place such above anything else.
And finally. Omicron did nothing wrong. And the order as a laughing stock? No. The only ones who saw them as such were the ZA and the few sairs of the ECG that followed with you, despite orders not to. There are people who do not like what he does but, I admit, he's not perfect and simply followed through on what he thought was right. I have yet to see people tell him differently on his actions as a leader.
RE: ZA: End war talk - Thyrzul - 09-02-2013
(09-02-2013, 01:08 PM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Established lore? Zoners don't have a "lore" - unless zoners are united on one banner that is - until that happends, zoners can be north korea for all I care - "A ittle research goes a long way".
Ladies and gentlemen, this shows clearly how much our friend, Tel-Aviv know about the Zoner Lore he claims to be non-existent. If that's how you look for and find stuff I wonder how you find your food in the fridge and not starve to death...
Ironically, that "north korea" is what ZT realized within the ZA, the inventon of the nickname "Kim Jong Udent" for him was not a coincidence.
United under one banner? Well, THAT is exactly what's not going to... "happend".
Ironically, that "north korea" is what ZT realized within the ZA, the inventon of the nickname "Kim Jong Udent" for him was not a coincidence.
United under one banner? Well, THAT is exactly what's not going to... "happend".