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RE: Zoners - Thyrzul - 05-31-2013
(05-31-2013, 09:59 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Precisely, and I have told him that our little " hatred " towards other factions was not publicized inrp, same way zoners in the taus dislike outcasts but remain close to them while working in the shadows. And when I say "aggressive" i don't mean a "zonerzonerzoner" kind of aggressive, its more "defensive".
Your hatred towards other factions has indeed been publicized inRP, at least through your incident with the Phoenix and your insulting manner towards the head of the Order. Zoners of Taus tolerate the Outcasts, accept the fact that they are inferior to the Maltese (because they are, just like you to your surroundings) and act accordingly. Not something what can be said about yourselves.
You may not mean that but you guys pretty much doing what the term "zonerzonerzoner" describes.
You may not mean that but you guys pretty much doing what the term "zonerzonerzoner" describes.
(05-31-2013, 09:59 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: We defend, we don't attack, only if hell breaks loose. And yes, we have our fingers on the triggers because were quick to respond to attacks and violence towards us and others. So what texts us out of this phoney lore that they keep bragging about? simple, we defend and don't mess with us, because you won't hear or see us kneel before others.
"Don't mess with us because if you do you'll regret it because we are the mighty Zoners of the Omicrons with unparallelled military might, etc etc..."
WRONG!
Stop powergaming yourselves over your surroundings. That's not cool. That's childish.
WRONG!
Stop powergaming yourselves over your surroundings. That's not cool. That's childish.
(05-31-2013, 09:59 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Edit 2 : you mentioned in your early post that pheonix can do what they want because they are different, well then so are we, but people here don't accept it, as if we are inferior, they can and we can't, thats their philosophy.
And don't tell me that i'm lying, i have 13 pages to prove it, as people go on to abuse our roleplay and our way of life because its inconviniet to them.
Phoenix can do what they want indeed and they suffer from the consequences of their actions as well. Thing is they don't do anything stupid and have a realistic view on themselves and their relations towards their neighbors. Again something which cannot be said about yourselves. Want to do anything you want, just like Phoenix? Do it, do anything you want.
And suffer from the consequences.
And suffer from the consequences.
RE: Zoners - Omicron - 05-31-2013
Topic I am personally interested in, Tel Aviv has not managed to give at least single reason as to why it is OORP for Order to interfere in Zoners matters.
Lore (vanilia) says that angry Zoners are sooner or later confronted asked by rest of society to leave the community voluntarly or by force. It can be found somewhere in FP9's bar I believe.
RE: Zoners - Jose Benitez - 05-31-2013
(05-31-2013, 09:59 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: And don't tell me that i'm lying, i have 13 pages to prove it, as people go on to abuse our roleplay and our way of life because its inconviniet to them.
Who's way of life are you talking about? I'm going to guess its yours as the vast majority of the people that seem to of posted in this topic don't appear to think that it is a Zoner way of life. I'd even go so far as to suggest that for the most part the majority of the people that have posted here do not think that you speak as a Zoner.
I'm not sure what you think you have 13 pages of "stuff" that proves anything. Can you clarify what you think it proves?
I've seen pretty much 13 pages of people trying to explain to you that Zoners do not behave in many of the ways you are now suggesting that they should behave (and that you will/do behave). I've also seen a goodly amount of content on those 13 pages explaining that if you behave differently then you will be treated differently.
I should think that after 13 pages of people trying to point this out you would of got the message by now?
For me this is really simply. If you do not behave like a Zoner, I will not treat you as one. If you think that is wrong then that is your choice. If I go to "war" with you, it does not mean that I am at "war" with the Zoners but only you - and that is an important distinction you might like to think on.
Zoners in general are "neutral", because their neighbours allow them to be. There are lots of reason why they are allowed to be neutral and it depends on where they are and their neighbours, but this is not some right that Zoners have.
RE: Zoners - Zen_Mechanics - 05-31-2013
It doesn't get anymore stupid then that, Ive said that much like the pheonix, we have our own diplomacy, our own attitude and our own course of action, you have a problem with that? deal with it, pheonix are not zoners, osi are not zoners and TAZ are not ZONERS, now i'll go get some beer while you keep flaming.
RE: Zoners - Crackpunch - 05-31-2013
(05-31-2013, 09:07 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: What's more easy is that zoners aren't civilians
Technically, they all are.
(05-31-2013, 09:07 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: so you can put that lore of yours where the sun doesn't shine,
Disregard lore established by nearly a decade's worth of RP, acquire QQ.
(05-31-2013, 09:07 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: because its not they way you like it, well guess what, I don't care if you like it or not.
You haven't considered the fact that you might be doing something silly, so screw everyone else for trying help you.
(05-31-2013, 09:07 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: This is no longer an opinion, this is a personal attack on me, and my factions and I hope that you stop this none-sense and get some vacation.
People disagree with and so therefore are making a personal attack one you? Why do Zoner players love to play the victim?
edit: Divine Bovine! Use a dictionary!
RE: Zoners - kikatsu - 05-31-2013
I think it is about time that everyone here takes a step back and cools off for a bit. The ability for this thread to remain civil is starting to come into question. Behave yourselves here.
RE: Zoners - Thyrzul - 05-31-2013
(05-31-2013, 11:04 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: we have our own diplomacy, our own attitude and our own course of action
Aaaaaand that will grant yourselves your own grave... very soon. That is what we are trying to communicate to you for those so called 13 pages...
(05-31-2013, 11:04 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: pheonix are not zoners, osi are not zoners and TAZ are not ZONERS
Oh, quite the contrary. They all are, and approved by both the community and the administration. Unlike the ZA.
@kikatsu
Roger that, I myself will try to remain as civil as possible.
@kikatsu
Roger that, I myself will try to remain as civil as possible.
RE: Zoners - Zen_Mechanics - 05-31-2013
(05-31-2013, 11:14 AM)Thyrzul Wrote:(05-31-2013, 11:04 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: we have our own diplomacy, our own attitude and our own course of action
Aaaaaand that will grant yourselves your own grave... very soon. That is what we are trying to communicate to you for those so called 13 pages...
(05-31-2013, 11:04 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: pheonix are not zoners, osi are not zoners and TAZ are not ZONERS
Oh, quite the contrary. They all are, and approved by both the community and the administration. Unlike the ZA.
@kikatsu
Roger that, I myself will try to remain as civil as possible.
No they are not plain zoners, thats not what I think, its what it is, zoners are not groups they are individual, so how can a group be a zoner? much like faith to religion, its no longer personal but political with agendas, zoner haveno agenda. And I've chosen my actions very carefuly but don't hold your breath, the more "hatred" that I see inrp from other factions the more plans we will have for those delicate souls. The includes omicron, with all of his fuzzy little gang of "Order" playing cops with no bounderies.
Oh and if you use vanilla as an excuse, in vanilla zoners stick to zoners only, zoners help other zoners, thats something that I don't see here, so quite the fake fiary tale. Using the lore only when it suits you is that your philosophy?.
RE: Zoners - Thyrzul - 05-31-2013
(05-31-2013, 11:20 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: No they are not plain zoners, thats not what I think, its what it is, zoners are not groups they are individual, so how can a group be a zoner?
Opinion noted, we voiced our opinions as well, although somehow I feel you ignored most of it along with the fact that the three factions you described as "non-zoner" are the current official Zoner factions on DiscoGC. But I don't think mere opinions change anything... actions, yes, they do. Question is whether you have the power to make your beliefs real or not.
(05-31-2013, 11:20 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: the more "hatred" that I see inrp from other factions the more plans we will have for those delicate souls. The includes omicron, with all of his fuzzy little gang of "Order" playing cops with no bounderies.
Keep in mind, mixing ooRP hatred into inRP decisions is heavily frowned upon. Personal vendetta against a specific player of the community is even more so.
(05-31-2013, 11:20 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Oh and if you use vanilla as an excuse, in vanilla zoners stick to zoners only, zoners help other zoners, thats something that I don't see here, so quite the fake fiary tale. Using the lore only when it suits you is that your philosophy?.
And then we can argue about who turned against who and who's fault was all of this, but in the end it won't really matter. The opinion of the community is what matters. About them and their actions... about you and yours... and I feel it is clearly visible by now.
RE: Zoners - Eduard - 05-31-2013
(05-31-2013, 11:20 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote:(05-31-2013, 11:14 AM)Thyrzul Wrote:(05-31-2013, 11:04 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: we have our own diplomacy, our own attitude and our own course of action
Aaaaaand that will grant yourselves your own grave... very soon. That is what we are trying to communicate to you for those so called 13 pages...
(05-31-2013, 11:04 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: pheonix are not zoners, osi are not zoners and TAZ are not ZONERS
Oh, quite the contrary. They all are, and approved by both the community and the administration. Unlike the ZA.
@kikatsu
Roger that, I myself will try to remain as civil as possible.
No they are not plain zoners, thats not what I think, its what it is, zoners are not groups they are individual, so how can a group be a zoner? much like faith to religion, its no longer personal but political with agendas, zoner haveno agenda. And I've chosen my actions very carefuly but don't hold your breath, the more "hatred" that I see inrp from other factions the more plans we will have for those delicate souls. The includes omicron, with all of his fuzzy little gang of "Order" playing cops with no bounderies.
Oh and if you use vanilla as an excuse, in vanilla zoners stick to zoners only, zoners help other zoners, thats something that I don't see here, so quite the fake fiary tale. Using the lore only when it suits you is that your philosophy?.
I personally view those groups as conglomerations of Zoner Individuals who have the same goals or ideals and simply band together thinking that their goals can be achieved way easier in numbers and unity.
TAZ are zoner individuals which banded together because they share the same religion and philosophy btw. And this goes the same for all the other zoner factions.
I find it incorrect to say that Zoners have no agenda. Everyone has an agenda, everyone has a personal interest and everyone wants to have a slice of cake. Even ZA has its own goals or agenda from what I've seen: Protecting their home or system or whatever which is Omicron-74. Do correct me if I am wrong
Personally, I believe that a faction or individual with no goals or agenda will stagnate and eventually wither out.