' Wrote:Hello there....
Alright, after some sleep the anger I felt tonight is gone but I'm still left with large disappointment.

But before I start, I want to say that until now, I only had enjoyable encounters with the RM, and I owe you some huge Kudos for that, you have some awesome RPers in your ranks!

Myself (AGS-L|Bastian.Brauer) and AGS-U|Matthias Zevronen were on our ships last nightand noticed that Admiral Malexa was in Hamburg. We set course there expecting some fun RP but when we arrived at NB Hamburg was empty. I then went to Darmstadt to change ships and when I came back the Roc of my friend was surrounded by one [RM] Wraith, 5 indy RMs (including one Cruiser) and an AA|- Mercenary.
So far so good we thought, lets RP with them a bit, then leave.
After interchanging some propaganda we tryed to leave but seconds after [RM]Fl.Heinrich.Kraus told the others to kill the enemies of the state.
Two seconds later Matthias was instakilled by the cruiser, I chose to retreat to Kreuzberg.
The horde followd me all the way through the Asteroid, then the Debris field to Kreuzberg, than staying around the base within 1.5k distance.

Thats the story, now the points that disappointed me.

As for this incident, I know the RM can't be held responsible for the action of indies, but you can at least try to hold them back. I don't care about if they choose to follow the RMs orders or not, but he hasn't even tried.
I don't mind being shot at, I'm RPing a revolutionary, but come on, 6 VHFs and a Cruiser vs. a single HF? Continue to chasing him all the way to the base just to get the blue message?
On top of that, the Jaho177 guy still had a Recruit ID, that also stayed uncommented by the RM pilot.

I always felt the RM had a sense of fairness, but that was just poor. If you want to play it that way, fine just tell us and we'll summon 6 friends as well next time we see a lone RM ship patrolling Stuttgart.

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Quote:As the AA| ship there, i'm posting here just to chuck in an alternative opinion.

you were over-matched. you were retreating at the time of the engagement, but this was not clear (it really did look as if Matthias and you were spoiling up for a fight against a cruiser), and matthias was destroyed. You ran to Kreuzberg (kaiserslauten would have been a tad more appropriate rather than the junker base, but nvrmind). We chased, and you were very good at evasion, kudos to him (i even said this at the time). We didn't think that you would run to kreuzberg, we thought we were going to have a nice run around the asteroid field, where the cruiser wouldnt operate, and then a fight on some more even terms, but you chose to dock instead.

Matthias disappointed me. i understand that he was angry and upset for being engaged when he thought he was going to evade the gank fest, but he had several chances to accept the escort out of the system. nevertheless, i warned him several times in private that his behaviour wasn't acceptable, and nor was his language (i.e. shuffle out quietly, keep your anger to pm's, not system chat, //text should be for emergencies, like my cat has knocked coffee into my keyboard, not 'im all angry rar rar rar)

Nevertheless, the ship that destroyed matthias was an indy, the ships that pursued you, myself included, were on the whole only loosely connected with rheinland lawful forces. As such, RM feedback should not be the place that your anger is directed: the RM players were very much inRP, and behaved impeccably.

but, hey, it's a game. we can die.

' Wrote:Thank you for the feedback, Wuselkobold.

I would like to note that as an (ex) high-ranking member thus someone with experience in regards to the Military's behavior, I can freely state that the members of the Rheinland Military have always had a huge influence in keeping fights even.

- I know that, and as I said, my previous encounters with the RM have all been highly enjoyable, even if they ended in PvP. I had always the impression that I was treated fairly and /for being a Revolutionary) friendly.

True, the faction's latest recruits (the aforementioned [RM] member being one, as the ranking insignia, Fl. which stands for Flieger indicates) have not exactly been the most blooming ones, some even oppose the basic principles on which this faction is based on. I can assure you though, that such people will be pointed to the right direction or eliminated upon refusal by the esteemed High Command members who occupy themselves with acting to achieve a shared pleasure of gameplay environment.

- I appreciate that you are pointing your members into the right direction to ensure that your awesome faction (yes, I really think its awesome) stays the way it is and even improves.

I would also like to note that on the other hand, ganks happen. The [RM] had little to no participation in this specific case, as the pilot is a mere recruit himself with no visual authority and a possible lack of experience. There is seriously no need for statements such as "if you want to play it that way, fine just tell us and we'll summon 6 friends as well next time we see a lone RM ship patrolling Stuttgart" unless you have seen at least an officer or flag officer acting as such. On the final regard, I hope replenishing your mine and disruptor supplies didn't affect the funds at your disposal too deeply.

- I am aware that ganks happen, thats why I visit Liberty only at very rare occasions.
I also didn't blame the actions of the indys at your member, I just described the situation so my other points would be clearer.
Even if the Rank is low, he's still a member of an official faction, and his actions are falling back on the RM. I just expected (from my former experience) that at least the Cruiser would be called of, or that we at least get a chance to get away once we reached the asteroid field. It isn't about the bad result, its about not trying to prevent it.
Your point about my statement is taken and I apologise for the poor choice of my words.
And no, the lost BBs didn't affect my funds that much, but that wasn't my point anyway.

' Wrote:As the AA| ship there, i'm posting here just to chuck in an alternative opinion.

you were over-matched. you were retreating at the time of the engagement, but this was not clear (it really did look as if Matthias and you were spoiling up for a fight against a cruiser), and matthias was destroyed. You ran to Kreuzberg (kaiserslauten would have been a tad more appropriate rather than the junker base, but nvrmind). We chased, and you were very good at evasion, kudos to him (i even said this at the time). We didn't think that you would run to kreuzberg, we thought we were going to have a nice run around the asteroid field, where the cruiser wouldnt operate, and then a fight on some more even terms, but you chose to dock instead.

Yes, we were trying to retreat at the last moment but we still made it clear that we wanted to leave (or at least that we didn't have the desire to fight such an overwhelming force.
Even if the Cruiser would have stopped I'd never fight 6 Wraiths in a Switchblade (though I promise, next time I'll turn around, yelling SPARTAAAAAA! just for the laughs).
I agree that Kaiserslautern would have been a better choice to run to, but I dedn't had much time to think about my decision at that moment since I was busy dodging a firestorm;)

Matthias disappointed me. i understand that he was angry and upset for being engaged when he thought he was going to evade the gank fest, but he had several chances to accept the escort out of the system. nevertheless, i warned him several times in private that his behaviour wasn't acceptable, and nor was his language (i.e. shuffle out quietly, keep your anger to pm's, not system chat, //text should be for emergencies, like my cat has knocked coffee into my keyboard, not 'im all angry rar rar rar)

- Yes, I know that was inappropriate, but sometimes everyone looses contol, especially if something like that happens to him on a regular base, apologies for that, shouldn't have happened.

Nevertheless, the ship that destroyed matthias was an indy, the ships that pursued you, myself included, were on the whole only loosely connected with rheinland lawful forces. As such, RM feedback should not be the place that your anger is directed: the RM players were very much inRP, and behaved impeccably.

- As I pointed out before, I just described the situation to show the context, not to blame the indies, from whom I didn't expect anything else as what they did.

but, hey, it's a game. we can die.

- Yes, and I even don't mind dieing (most of the time:P) And yes its a game, point of a game is that everybody has fun playing it, and that means others sometimes have to pay attention to the feelings and situations of others to not ruin their fun. Its all giving and taking and as soon as you are just taking, you are no longer playing the game properly.

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Quote:Hello there....
Alright, after some sleep the anger I felt tonight is gone but I'm still left with large disappointment.

But before I start, I want to say that until now, I only had enjoyable encounters with the RM, and I owe you some huge Kudos for that, you have some awesome RPers in your ranks!

Myself (AGS-L|Bastian.Brauer) and AGS-U|Matthias Zevronen were on our ships last nightand noticed that Admiral Malexa was in Hamburg. We set course there expecting some fun RP but when we arrived at NB Hamburg was empty. I then went to Darmstadt to change ships and when I came back the Roc of my friend was surrounded by one [RM] Wraith, 5 indy RMs (including one Cruiser) and an AA|- Mercenary.
So far so good we thought, lets RP with them a bit, then leave.
After interchanging some propaganda we tryed to leave but seconds after [RM]Fl.Heinrich.Kraus told the others to kill the enemies of the state.
Two seconds later Matthias was instakilled by the cruiser, I chose to retreat to Kreuzberg.
The horde followd me all the way through the Asteroid, then the Debris field to Kreuzberg, than staying around the base within 1.5k distance.

Thats the story, now the points that disappointed me.

As for this incident, I know the RM can't be held responsible for the action of indies, but you can at least try to hold them back. I don't care about if they choose to follow the RMs orders or not, but he hasn't even tried.
I don't mind being shot at, I'm RPing a revolutionary, but come on, 6 VHFs and a Cruiser vs. a single HF? Continue to chasing him all the way to the base just to get the blue message?
On top of that, the Jaho177 guy still had a Recruit ID, that also stayed uncommented by the RM pilot.

I always felt the RM had a sense of fairness, but that was just poor. If you want to play it that way, fine just tell us and we'll summon 6 friends as well next time we see a lone RM ship patrolling Stuttgart.