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RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - n00bl3t - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 02:43 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:39 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:33 PM)sindroms Wrote: If you are all tired of Disco, just ask the people responsible to pull the plug on the main server and have someone else take over if you are so goddamn tired of dealing with this bull. Stop trying to find yourself excuses for ''stirkes'' or whatever.
After talking to some of the people from the yellow team, it really strikes me as that the people involved are just too scared of how giving up would relate to their public image at this point.
Well, if you cannot be bothered to carry the mod anymore, just say so. Instead you are forcing yourself to bear the title you have no interest in anymore and - by the way - it is kinda showing, you ain't fooling anybody at this point.
Reverse Psychology 101.
"You're too scared to continue the mod."
Internet discussions 101, Loaded question.
Right back at you, if you cannot come up with any compelling argument.
Which fact is presupposed by which question that I asked?
I'm keen to hear this explanation on how I committed this specific fallacy.
Edit: Might be delayed in my response. RL calls.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - sindroms - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 02:46 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:43 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:39 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:33 PM)sindroms Wrote: If you are all tired of Disco, just ask the people responsible to pull the plug on the main server and have someone else take over if you are so goddamn tired of dealing with this bull. Stop trying to find yourself excuses for ''stirkes'' or whatever.
After talking to some of the people from the yellow team, it really strikes me as that the people involved are just too scared of how giving up would relate to their public image at this point.
Well, if you cannot be bothered to carry the mod anymore, just say so. Instead you are forcing yourself to bear the title you have no interest in anymore and - by the way - it is kinda showing, you ain't fooling anybody at this point.
Reverse Psychology 101.
"You're too scared to continue the mod."
Internet discussions 101, Loaded question.
Right back at you, if you cannot come up with any compelling argument.
Which fact is presupposed by which question that I asked?
I'm keen to hear this explanation on how I committed this specific fallacy.
If you cared to contribute a valid statement at this point, you should have realized that there was no question you proposed in the first place. Instead you are just one of those members who went avol in 2010 and returned recently to try and be relevant with their ''years of experience'' that they do not in fact have.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - n00bl3t - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 02:48 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:46 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:43 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:39 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:33 PM)sindroms Wrote: If you are all tired of Disco, just ask the people responsible to pull the plug on the main server and have someone else take over if you are so goddamn tired of dealing with this bull. Stop trying to find yourself excuses for ''stirkes'' or whatever.
After talking to some of the people from the yellow team, it really strikes me as that the people involved are just too scared of how giving up would relate to their public image at this point.
Well, if you cannot be bothered to carry the mod anymore, just say so. Instead you are forcing yourself to bear the title you have no interest in anymore and - by the way - it is kinda showing, you ain't fooling anybody at this point.
Reverse Psychology 101.
"You're too scared to continue the mod."
Internet discussions 101, Loaded question.
Right back at you, if you cannot come up with any compelling argument.
Which fact is presupposed by which question that I asked?
I'm keen to hear this explanation on how I committed this specific fallacy.
If you cared to contribute a valid statement at this point, you should have realized that there was no question you proposed in the first place. Instead you are just one of those members who went avol in 2010 and returned recently to try and be relevant with their ''years of experience'' that they do not in fact have.
This is awkward because I've been playing the game.
Also awkward because I've taken less breaks and returns than you.
But I see that you've redirected from the accusation of the fallacy and moved to basic ad hominem.
Edit: I think it's valid calling out your pitiful attempt at "I don't care I'm playing the game" mixed with "this thread is pathetic" and "leave if you don't like it", but you don't have to agree and you simply show you care by responding.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Thyrzul - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 02:38 PM)sindroms Wrote: Perhaps it is because the 90% percent of the people have no interest in becoming the victims of some drama that they have no ties to and should have no toes to. Most of the people playing Disco these days do not even have any voice in the community. Why should our regular 90~ players online every day be the victims of 5 people being banned. People they will never encounter, nor should care about?
Perhaps banning 6 more or less valuable members of the community have no ties to the rest, in which case they are right at not having interest in becoming the victims of such drama.
Perhaps starting to ban more or less valuable members of the community with little to no apparent reasons and without indication whether this trend may or may not continue, may easily have ties to every one of us, in which case people are burying their heads deep into the sand about matters related to them as well. Remember how St.Denis warned that those evading the bullets may not do so next time, remember how other staff members said there were more people brought up to discussion whether should be banned or not.
I guess it's just a matter of perspective, and willingness to notice the reality happening around you.
And about your "bearing a title one has not interest in anymore" remark, I can't see it applying on devs currently on strike. To me it looks more like they do not only have interest in making the mod better, but also in keeping the community not to collapse around it due to the actions of an adminsitrative team they may deemed incorrect. At least they communicated that. That some may not want to understand what they say or willing to twist it to fit their own needs is an other matter.
Perhaps starting to ban more or less valuable members of the community with little to no apparent reasons and without indication whether this trend may or may not continue, may easily have ties to every one of us, in which case people are burying their heads deep into the sand about matters related to them as well. Remember how St.Denis warned that those evading the bullets may not do so next time, remember how other staff members said there were more people brought up to discussion whether should be banned or not.
I guess it's just a matter of perspective, and willingness to notice the reality happening around you.
And about your "bearing a title one has not interest in anymore" remark, I can't see it applying on devs currently on strike. To me it looks more like they do not only have interest in making the mod better, but also in keeping the community not to collapse around it due to the actions of an adminsitrative team they may deemed incorrect. At least they communicated that. That some may not want to understand what they say or willing to twist it to fit their own needs is an other matter.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - sindroms - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 02:50 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:48 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:46 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:43 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:39 PM)n00bl3t Wrote: Reverse Psychology 101.
"You're too scared to continue the mod."
Internet discussions 101, Loaded question.
Right back at you, if you cannot come up with any compelling argument.
Which fact is presupposed by which question that I asked?
I'm keen to hear this explanation on how I committed this specific fallacy.
If you cared to contribute a valid statement at this point, you should have realized that there was no question you proposed in the first place. Instead you are just one of those members who went avol in 2010 and returned recently to try and be relevant with their ''years of experience'' that they do not in fact have.
This is awkward because I've been playing the game.
Also awkward because I've taken less breaks and returns than you.
But I see that you've redirected from the accusation of the fallacy and moved to basic ad hominem.
I can name my breaks and I am usually careful enough not to enter discussions regardind times that I wasn't around, but in the context of the discussion you have felt the need to now condense between us two- I am still waiting for you to specify the questions you were so intent on pointing out.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - n00bl3t - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 02:53 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:50 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:48 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:46 PM)n00bl3t Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:43 PM)sindroms Wrote: Internet discussions 101, Loaded question.
Right back at you, if you cannot come up with any compelling argument.
Which fact is presupposed by which question that I asked?
I'm keen to hear this explanation on how I committed this specific fallacy.
If you cared to contribute a valid statement at this point, you should have realized that there was no question you proposed in the first place. Instead you are just one of those members who went avol in 2010 and returned recently to try and be relevant with their ''years of experience'' that they do not in fact have.
This is awkward because I've been playing the game.
Also awkward because I've taken less breaks and returns than you.
But I see that you've redirected from the accusation of the fallacy and moved to basic ad hominem.
I can name my breaks and I am usually careful enough not to enter discussions regardind times that I wasn't around, but in the context of the discussion you have felt the need to now condense between us two- I am still waiting for you to specify the questions you were so intent on pointing out.
You keep going on about a question. I don't think you understand the Wikipedia article you linked. Try reading it again.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - sindroms - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 02:46 PM)n00bl3t Wrote: Which fact is presupposed by which question that I asked?
Feel free to specify the question though.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - n00bl3t - 07-10-2016
(07-10-2016, 02:56 PM)sindroms Wrote:(07-10-2016, 02:46 PM)n00bl3t Wrote: Which fact is presupposed by which question that I asked?
Feel free to specify the question though.
There was never a question, which is why your accusation of a loaded question sounded absurd.
*Facepalms*
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Thyrzul - 07-10-2016
Are you girls done?
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - sindroms - 07-10-2016
So you are posting for the sake if posting? Well, what else is new. There is a reason why you have 7,4k posts over the years, after all. Dab was the only person to rival that. If you want my full opinion on this, feel free to browse a few pages back.
Because it is so very easy to point at people at power and blaming them. To play as the underdog and try to garner public attention and feedback. But when you actually care for this community what happens to this community and to the place you tend to contribute your free time to, you want it to survive for a few more years and, to do so, you are much more inclined to give up a few members regardless of what your moral compass tends to meet at the time.
Both sides are involved. Both sides are to blame. But only one side is in power. And that is the one who will have the end word, regardless of what or whatever you want to pin as a badge to your chest. They do not give a crap. And neither should you. If you didn't, you wouldn't be here anymore.
Disco as you and I might remember it has ended a long ago, but I still enjoy logging on the server. And I want to continue doing that. If you nuke a few people for that to me to be able to do so - fine by me.