' Wrote:I need 200m to set up a Pilgrim, a Liner. Not everyones ambition is to fly fighters or capital ships for that matter. Also, I'm in an official faction and I don't get anything for free. Also, the point you seem to raise is "Join a faction! That way others can enslave themselves to get YOU what YOU need!". That still hardly solves anything.
I traded on my Junker for a month or so with no real purpose or goal. Once I got fed up I had ~700m in my account. I bought a cap6, BS scanner and cheetah thruster for my Salvager. For the lulz. Problem is now that I have a clear goal I realize just how slow profiteering is. I still have some degree of fun trading ( not as much as back then now with scrap mining nerfed and diplomatic cockups restricting me to only a handful of routes).
The playing field was leveled, yes, at the expense of everyone else. Most routes are equally profitable. Too bad that that equal value is so low.
PS: OLOL I fail at foruming. Gimme a min

' Wrote:you are free to choose any other trade routes that are just as good as your current one with some new RP. which is by the way an achievement of the new economy.

You are also free to trade in window mode while doing other stuff, like any other sane person.

' Wrote:Not instant. Instant would be launching with a Rheinland BS equipped with Capital VIII Armour. A faster system.

Anyway, I ignored Carlos, and I apologise for doing that, probably for the best as it is late, and I no doubt will respond at a later time.

' Wrote:To answer the criticisms made by those who "dont have time to slave away making money", I suggest that your approach to this server is wrong.
You need barely 30 million credits to be a valuable individual on this server. Enough to get a fighter and fly alongside fellow faction members. In addition, you have the option of joining a player clan, and having everything you require given to you. If you prefer to be independent, you'll have to pay the price; and that price is fairly low anyway.

The majority of players who find themselves "slaving away" are saving up to buy battleships, but here's the deal; no-one said you HAD to have one, and the server doesnt NEED you to have one. Why then, should it be made easy?
The other people who "slave away" trade because that's the role they've chosen. They RP traders, and enjoy it, realising that it is a continual journey of enjoyment and NOT a means to an end. If you're part of this group, you might quickly find that the money piles up, and you find you have little to spend it on. At that point, you come to realise that money is merely a bonus, and that the activity itself is the reward. (I speak as a player who has collected over 5 billion credits in his time, and still trades for fun rather than profit).
Traders on Discovery should be the latter; players who have made characters who are traders for fun, not characters of players who want money for cap-ships.

Play games to have fun. If you're not having fun, address the problem.

' Wrote:yes! BUT HOW TO DOO IT? I wish i cud haw it in litle window,but its still in full mode(all screen)and i need to push Win buttom to let it down.HOW to do it corectly plz?

' Wrote:Not gives, accommodates. Gives would be launching with a Rheinland BS equipped with Capital VIII Armor. An accommodating system would provide the same with only an annoying specter of investment of time for reward.

At any rate I advocate for all trade run payouts to be <strike>tripled</strike> quadrupled and ship re-sale prices to be exactly the same, if not more, than ship purchase prices.

' Wrote:Okie dokie, let's just take the capships from the mod. All of them. Well, the npcs could still use them, but players would have to settle for fighters, freighters and transports. No more bombers either, since there's no player capships to counter. Two-three fighters can take on a transport, so, there ya go. Everyone with nerves of steel, optimum loadouts and highly-developed twitch reflexes will have boatloads of of unabashed pvp-fun. Until the 50 players remaining find something else to get all worked up about.

*hyberbole mode off*

No offense Carlos, but you don't speak for the whole server. Not everyone is into fighters as much as others. To each his own. Capships, BSes in particular are so weighted down with rules, regs, inherent weaknesses and that bizarre capship stigma, that using one demands a lot from its pilot.

Other community members have made good points about the current game economy. There are other perspectives besides the "saving up for a BS" argument: establishing/maintaining a faction, buying munitions, buying armor, the problem of gametime constraints, etc.

Xoria's economy system is good, at least good enough. The idea of leveling the playing field for different traders is its hallmark. That said, I still think all the "stuff" in this mod could be 30-50% cheaper. Thus everyone can have "fun", without sacrificing an undue amount of RL in the process.

' Wrote:Your parody of anti-cap bias is ridiculous. Wanting capital ships earned is not equivalent to wanting them gone.
The crux of my argument is that trading and mining should be treated as worthwhile persuits for their own right, and NOT, as so many people treat them, as a means to getting credits for other persuits.
My clan, for example, has billions of credits stored, a home system, battleship, and over 50 historical members, each with at least 2 fully equipped personal ships. The vast majority of this was achieved by fun trading, smuggling and piracy. We worked together, had events, ran convoys, and in the process not only made a fortune, but had hundreds of hours of worthwhile and entertaining encounters with other players.
We pirated, not because we needed money, but because we were Corsairs who liked to pirate.
We smuggled, not because we needed money, but because we were Corsairs who liked to smuggle. etc.

My point is that if people recognised the RP fun that could be had with these activities, rather than using them as a means to get cash for other things, they'd quickly find themselves not "slaving away" but enjoying the process, and reaching their goals allot faster and more easily.

' Wrote:Your parody of anti-cap bias is ridiculous. Wanting capital ships earned is not equivalent to wanting them gone.
The crux of my argument is that trading and mining should be treated as worthwhile persuits for their own right, and NOT, as so many people treat them, as a means to getting credits for other persuits.
My clan, for example, has billions of credits stored, a home system, battleship, and over 50 historical members, each with at least 2 fully equipped personal ships. The vast majority of this was achieved by fun trading, smuggling and piracy. We worked together, had events, ran convoys, and in the process not only made a fortune, but had hundreds of hours of worthwhile and entertaining encounters with other players.
We pirated, not because we needed money, but because we were Corsairs who liked to pirate.
We smuggled, not because we needed money, but because we were Corsairs who liked to smuggle. etc.

My point is that if people recognised the RP fun that could be had with these activities, rather than using them as a means to get cash for other things, they'd quickly find themselves not "slaving away" but enjoying the process, and reaching their goals allot faster and more easily.