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Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-14-2011

In relations to what Dusty and Daedric said, this would also apply to your Omicroner tech grants, and your Brigands tech grants, and your Outcast tech grants.
Which, i am assuming, would most likely cover the vast majority of your ships.
Moreover, it means that right now someone could use a ss of your ships with tech and sanction you.
Right now.
Like these ones.
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Kindly provided by your own member.
or really, any of your claim shots or your report pics.
It'd be kindof easy, for some....i dunno, devious jerk to sanction your entire faction.
Lol.

Re-Working - Dab - 10-14-2011

Are you guys mercs, pirates, Brigands, or smugglers?

I'm having a hard time finding the answer to this.

And what is the roleplay behind your faction? A BrigandZonerKusariCouncil MercPirateSmuggler band?

I'm also fairly certain gallic tech is restricted to gallic ZoI. Ascos in Rheinland, for example, doesn't fit that criteria.

I'm also curious as to your tech grants..

Brigand GBs, Council equipment, Zoner equipment, etc. What is the full list of what your faction is using?

Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-15-2011

' Wrote:Exact Player/Group Name(s): Rorry's Renegades
Exact Technology Granted: Two Tridente-class gunships and twelve Outcast gunboat turrets.
' Wrote:[*]Player/Ship Name: Rorry's Renegades - Under Rorry's Leadership (//Veygaar)
Technology Granted: ZT-9 Zoner Gunboat Turrets - no limit
Technology Granted: All Fury Class Blasters - no limit
' Wrote:Exact Player/Group Name(s): Rorry's Renegades - Under Rorry's Leadership (//Veygaar)
Exact Technology Granted: All weapons/ships.
' Wrote:Exact Player/Group Name(s): Rorry's Renegades - Under Rorry's Leadership (//Veygaar)
Exact Technology Granted: Council Gunboat Turrets/Missiles and Falcon/Falconets
This is what i could find.
I also hope you're not using Outcast tech on Council ships, or vice versa.
And Dab has a point. Omicron Gamma is literally as far from Gallic ZoI as possible.
' Wrote:3) Generic ID's with Gallic tech have been changed from "Must remain in Gallia" to "Must follow the same ZOI rules as Gallic Factions"

I'm also still wondering why you even have Council tech when they revoked your rights, beacuse you violated the agreement.
Server rules prevent tech grants from being revoked for a random reason, but they also allow for the inclusion of conditions, which you yourself added to the agreement.
' Wrote:
[Image: Transmission.png]
A strong young man speaks

Rorry:


After much thought, the Renegades have come to a conclusion that we will both agree to I believe.

1: The Renegades will not use Council technology against the CR or the IMG within Tau space. It shall be used against enemies unrelated to the Council.

2: Renegades will not engage in hostilities in the Tau systems while vessels tagged [C] are present.

3: If the Renegades OR the Council is questioned on the means by which the technology was acquired, both sides will deny knowledge on how it was obtained.

4: Allow my brother, Alan Write, to take a look at the requested technology blueprints, so he may configure them to our Pirate vessels in the far corners of space. A place known as Rheinland.

Along with this we offer 100 million credits to show our support to the fight against the Royalists. You have but to tell me where to send it...


Transmission Ends


' Wrote:* If using equipment from a white cell you must have gained posted permission from the official faction which represents the owning equipment. Should there be multiple factions any one may be contacted. Ensuring that permission is accurately and posted in this thread in a timely fashion is the responsibility of the one using the equipment.

Claiming that a faction has not yet updated their information will not save you.

* Once equipment is approved, then it stays approved, no matter what happens in roleplay or in the personal situation between the involved parties, unless terms and conditions on it are explicitly stated BEFOREHAND and agreed by both parties.


Re-Working - Vito - 10-15-2011

Nevermind...

"Flaming, abusing, and insulting other members in any form, with or without a reason, is not allowed."

I just realized most of my recent posts can make it into that category. That doesn't mean RR's aren't a mess but I'll just stop here

Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-15-2011

EDIT: That was a little mean.
I'm sorry, even though i doubt anyone involved read it.

Re-Working - Veygaar - 10-15-2011

@Bindo: The reason for a open roster is to allow the blanket tech to work. The tech is granted to all member on that list, if there is someone running around with tech NOT on the list, sanction them. The list can be found by simply clicking on "Renegades" in my sig. Perhaps including this link in the tech agreements would help. I'll try to get this done.

Note 2: A RP agreement does not mean we would suddenly lose tech if we break that agreement. After speaking with the Admins they confirmed this. Loss of tech must be EXPLICETLY cited and agreed upon by both parties. Loss of tech was not even diccussed before hand, and NOT agreed upon. Therefor, as the rules you quoted stated, they are limited to bountying us, FR5ing us. And other things along that line.

Note 3: We are not mixing tech from hostile factions. We know the rules.


@Dab: We're Unlawful Pirates/Mercs, each from different background, rejected for different reasons, all seeking riches under a single banner.

Re-Working - Dab - 10-15-2011

' Wrote:@Bindo: The reason for a open roster is to allow the blanket tech to work. The tech is granted to all member on that list, if there is someone running around with tech NOT on the list, sanction them. The list can be found by simply clicking on "Renegades" in my sig. Perhaps including this link in the tech agreements would help. I'll try to get this done.
No, it doesn't work like that. Either you have a tag and the tech is granted to that tag, or you get that tech noted down to each individual. You are currently breaking tech rules.

' Wrote:@Dab: We're Unlawful Pirates/Mercs, each from different background, rejected for different reasons, all seeking riches under a single banner.
Are you mercenaries, or are you pirates? You can try to claim one can be both, but you aren't.

Or does the ID used correspond to what lets you do whatever you want to do at the time?

What is your primary ID, the ID of which's restrictions you follow when flying the characters listed as part of this faction?

EDIT:
' Wrote:
1: The Renegades will not use Council technology against the CR or the IMG within Tau space. It shall be used against enemies unrelated to the Council.

2: Renegades will not engage in hostilities in the Tau systems while vessels tagged [C] are present.

3: If the Renegades OR the Council is questioned on the means by which the technology was acquired, both sides will deny knowledge on how it was obtained.

4: Allow my brother, Alan Write, to take a look at the requested technology blueprints, so he may configure them to our Pirate vessels in the far corners of space. A place known as Rheinland.


' Wrote:We agree on the terms.

That looks like pretty explicit definition of the tech agreement - which you broke - and agreement that the tech right would go away should you break those terms. Pretty cut & dry there.

I'd like an admin to weigh in on this.

Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-15-2011

An interesting note-Council is red cell to pirate ID.
While secondary ID's allow you to follow the rules on that ID instead of the primary (collecting bounties for instance), tech permissions are according to primary ID.
So, while it is legal to act according to your secondary (merc) id and collect bounties, your use of ANY council tech is illegal for any ID.
To add to what Dab said,

' Wrote:The information listed for the exact player/group name must be 100% accurate. It must be the name of the character as it is seen in game.

Should a player come into question we will be searching via his exact character name as seen in game. If we do not find it we will assume it is not listed.


Re-Working - Zelot - 10-15-2011

' Wrote:An interesting note-Council is red cell to pirate ID.
While secondary ID's allow you to follow the rules on that ID instead of the primary (collecting bounties for instance), tech permissions are according to primary ID.
So, while it is legal to act according to your secondary (merc) id and collect bounties, your use of ANY council tech is illegal for any ID.

And what section of the rules did you find that in?


Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-15-2011

' Wrote:And what section of the rules did you find that in?
You stated it just a couple of pages ago.
EDIT: FOund the original.

' Wrote:All ship and weapon choices are subject to the restrictions belonging to the faction's primary ID, NOT the specialized IDs. The specialized ID does NOT provide access to ships or weapons that are forbidden to the primary ID.