' Wrote:We don't have to expect it. All we need is the necromancy skills to resurrect the old threads complaining about too many battleships flying around due to the obscene diamond-niobium profits that everyone demanded should go away immediately. Those threads resulted in the increase in capital ship prices from 4.84 to 4.85 in order to make future capital ships less numerous. The demands were nearly unanimous for higher capital ship prices. I remember those threads. Am I the only one?

' Wrote:Yes. But I can barely stand trading for more than 30 minutes now. Why? Not because I'm lazy or impatient, because I've done the route so many times, it has become a chore to do it.

' Wrote:The subject of this thread is approximately 1/3rd of why I currently RP as a forum troll and not a very egotistical and proud liner captain who should have much more money than he actually does. Trading (of any kind) deserves to be profitable and enjoyable, not a hopeless grind designed to keep players away from Battleships and feed the pirates.

Love,
Epps

EDIT: Oh, bloody hell, Caw, is that your excuse? We can't make money just to have it? I gave up on maintaining any ships except my supposed moneymaker and still couldn't make a profit, not to mention the only RP I ever got out of it usually ended in me being destroyed by some arse in a bomber or a Ptrans because, in the end, the pirates want their money (don't you dare deny it), and that nice blue message. My profit margins sucked flying the best possible runs I could, and I wasn't even buying anything! Not to mention I couldn't fly 5K without being pirated unless I wanted to avoid tradelanes and take half a bloody hour on a run that grossed seven million credits. Don't you DARE tell us that we only trade because we want Battleships.

' Wrote:I actually -really- like this thread and agree with the sentiments of the original poster, and not because I'm friends with him.

Some of you might know that I used to have a Slave Liner, that I roleplayed with quite considerably much, some of you may also know that this very same ship was one of my favorite characters, as well as my primary source of income, and believe it or not, it takes a crapload of money to maintain just six characters, all in fighters/bombers.

I didn't mind the Slaves/Cardi route, I usually had fun with it and I usually made a decent profit with it, then -somebody- ****ed with it, messed it all up and made it less profitable. Is it still profitable? sure. Do I still want to spend 20/30 minutes flying through pirate or house territory, getting raped sideways for what it's worth now? No, no I don't.

This is not the only route that was previously worth large amounts of money that is now not worth as much be it money wise or time wise.

I've had Miners, I've had Slavers/Smugglers, I've even had lawful traders and my current trader is quasi-lawful.

It got to the point where I had to start selling ships (And not to other people, but going in game, flying to a station and selling ships) because I was so strapped and desperate for cash to maintain the few characters I have, because of the economic crap, in this game.

The economy, both lawful and unlawful, needs to be revised and fixed, for goodness sake, give people some incentive to -want- to fly these routes.

The powers that be want people in game to explore, they want people to not stick to one area, to see every area, the best way to do this is trading, you want us to trade to make money to fund our own ventures...

Then you take away the profit of certain routes, and what? people wonder why when people start complaining about the Disco economy?

Just make routes profitable again.

Oh I know there's routes out there that are profitable if you bounce all over the place i.e

Take this good here, then take that good there, then go here and there and to this place and that place and at the end of an hour you'll have a bajillion credits!

-why- do we have to do that, just to make a decent amount of money?

There's just absolutely no incentive to make people want to do that, other than making alot of money.

Also: On a side note, I think the largest amount of credits I've ever had at one time in my entire time here, was around 600mil, and most of it was given to me by somebody who left Disco and gave me their stuff...

Another addition: I don't normally complain about the way that things in game are managed by the powers that be but...this is one thing I think definantley needs a major fix.

' Wrote:Ships, factions, paying off people, improving my RP, expanding my RP.

Since when do poor people get the best RP?

' Wrote:No problem at all.

But to number crunch; It costs 500million to get an official faction status, correct? It also costs 500 million (EDIT: Or was that 1 billion?) if you want a system for your faction.

If I wanted get these two factions official, I'd be looking at 1 billion. If I by chance was allowed a system for both of them, 2 billion.

At maybe enough patience to do the same route every day for about 50-75mil a day, let's say 60 average, I'd be looking at 33 and 1/3 day of trading at 60 mil every day.

I can barely do four days before going on to roleplay on real characters for a few weeks.

' Wrote:Gotta agree with Mag here, I have a job and a family, I can't spend hours and hours to trade, get hit by 5 Pirates with "10Mill R Dai" (Don't tell me they don't, because if you do I will show you a liar) and end up with nothing. Trading is bad, mining is worse. Yes, I understand the economy was nerfed to keep Tweedle-LOL and Tweedle-LOLER from getting cap ships. Doesn't seem to have stopped them. In fact, I would say it encouraged them to become pirates...And end up with caps anyways.