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RE: Zoners - Eduard - 06-09-2013
nothing stops zoners to smuggle nomads but they need to know how to lie and how to use diplomacy
like with the bhg core regarding their alliance with order
RE: Zoners - Crackpunch - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 01:35 PM)Anaximander Wrote: Besides Order has for the longest time appropriated Nomad tech, it wouldn't be outside of reason to extend that courtesy to their closest ally, as long as they ensure Zoners use Nomad stuff to produce tech for themselves only (which is where Zoners would differ from Core I guess).
Zoners supply Order.
Order keeps noms off the Zoner's backs.
Doesn't qualify Zoners for nomad research/containment/tea parties.
A Zoner could essentially be a truck driver. Sure he can move cargo, but can he deal with nomads?
Order doesn't see nomad research as something only they should do because they're better than everyone, but because it's downright dangerous, and they only trust themselves with it.
RE: Zoners - Anaximander - 06-09-2013
Well then Order is a lousy ally. Why should Zoners supply them, other than for direct financial gain and nothing else?
And if Zoners only supply Order for profit, then couldn't someone easily buy off the Zoners and crush the Order that way?
RE: Zoners - Eduard - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 03:06 PM)Anaximander Wrote: Well then Order is a lousy ally. Why should Zoners supply them, other than for direct financial gain and nothing else?
And if Zoners only supply Order for profit, then couldn't someone easily buy off the Zoners and crush the Order that way?
Feels pretty much one sided no? They should also make business with core. That would make things interesting
RE: Zoners - Anaximander - 06-09-2013
Ye I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here; I agree that what happened in the Omicrons had to happen, certain Zoners escalated things by throwing around threats and such; it had to be struck down on.
On the other hand categorically refusing any and all of their closest allies, Zoners, to handle Nomad remains is a bit harsh to me - I mean if there was RP and Order agents were allowed to oversee the process and so on and were sure technology wasn't shared with non-Zoners and everything was done in full compliance with Order directives; couldn't Order let it pass for the sake of the alliance and continued support from Zoner suppliers?
RE: Zoners - Eduard - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 03:18 PM)Anaximander Wrote: Ye I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here; I agree that what happened in the Omicrons had to happen, certain Zoners escalated things by throwing around threats and such; it had to be struck down on.
On the other hand categorically refusing any and all of their closest allies, Zoners, to handle Nomad remains is a bit harsh to me - I mean if there was RP and Order agents were allowed to oversee the process and so on and were sure technology wasn't shared with non-Zoners and everything was done in full compliance with Order directives; couldn't Order let it pass for the sake of the alliance and continued support from Zoner suppliers?
I believe the zoner leaders did not view the problem from this point. Maybe they did not realize it is not a one sided alliance? Whatever the case, such... let us say ''ignorance'' gave the Order the opportunity to come with such terms
Still... a minimum of 10 nom fighter remains is better than nothing some would think
Ps : I was serious about my upper post if you ever thought otherwise
RE: Zoners - n00bl3t - 06-09-2013
I daresay the only problem I'd have with handing over large bundles of nomad remains is that I shot them down (in self-defence or whatever, before the anti-farming deathsquad arrives) and then someone comes along and takes a few million off my hands with nothing more than "I got the right ID for this".
Edit: I daresay some Zoners like The Order/BHG Core war, because it's profitable to supply both sides.
RE: Zoners - Eduard - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 03:28 PM)n00bl3t Wrote: I daresay the only problem I'd have with handing over large bundles of nomad remains is that I shot them down (in self-defence or whatever, before the anti-farming deathsquad arrives) and then someone comes along and takes a few million off my hands with nothing more than "I got the right ID for this".
Edit: I daresay some Zoners like The Order/BHG Core war, because it's profitable to supply both sides.
I have yet to see an omicron zoner char or faction which supplies BOTH sides or bhg not just order
RE: Zoners - n00bl3t - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 03:35 PM)Ed- Wrote:(06-09-2013, 03:28 PM)n00bl3t Wrote: I daresay the only problem I'd have with handing over large bundles of nomad remains is that I shot them down (in self-defence or whatever, before the anti-farming deathsquad arrives) and then someone comes along and takes a few million off my hands with nothing more than "I got the right ID for this".
Edit: I daresay some Zoners like The Order/BHG Core war, because it's profitable to supply both sides.
I have yet to see an omicron zoner char or faction which supplies BOTH sides or bhg not just order
I daresay that is an essential part of their survival as a group which supplies both.
RE: Zoners - Eduard - 06-09-2013
touche, my dear, i shall now concede defeat