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RE: Zoners - Thyrzul - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 03:28 PM)n00bl3t Wrote: I daresay the only problem I'd have with handing over large bundles of nomad remains is that I shot them down (in self-defence or whatever, before the anti-farming deathsquad arrives) and then someone comes along and takes a few million off my hands with nothing more than "I got the right ID for this".
Edit: I daresay some Zoners like The Order/BHG Core war, because it's profitable to supply both sides.
If you think about what you harvested as "few millions" that's rather farming than self-defense. And that is what Order wants to keep for themselves for reasons been stated before. I think the alliance exists between the two because Zoners were behaving according to Order's directives. Yet I would watch with interest if a group of Zoners would actually favor the Core more.
RE: Zoners - Mercarryn - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 07:59 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: I don't see anything wrong with that, they should play like they own the nomads but 10 remains is habit too small.
Using Kappa to get you to freeport means you have at least 6 7 jellies on you, next thing you know u got 30 of them. You hardly pay attention to that, you not only beam to get them you just beam because you are used to it.
(06-09-2013, 03:18 PM)Anaximander Wrote: Ye I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here; I agree that what happened in the Omicrons had to happen, certain Zoners escalated things by throwing around threats and such; it had to be struck down on.
On the other hand categorically refusing any and all of their closest allies, Zoners, to handle Nomad remains is a bit harsh to me - I mean if there was RP and Order agents were allowed to oversee the process and so on and were sure technology wasn't shared with non-Zoners and everything was done in full compliance with Order directives; couldn't Order let it pass for the sake of the alliance and continued support from Zoner suppliers?
What both of you forget to say in here is, that the initial amount of 10 small nomad remains (everyting else is forbidden by order) can be solved if you just ASK the order for a bit more of nomad remains. If you check out the following restriction, you can read this:
Quote:If said bigger remains are needed, the Order High Command has to be contacted first for approval.
So, if you really needed more nomad remains for some sort of "research" why in hell is it soo difficult to ask the Order inRP about a bit more? Seems like people seem to become too lazy for this.
RE: Zoners - Anaximander - 06-09-2013
That's true.
RE: Zoners - Thyrzul - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 07:18 PM)Mercarryn Wrote: So, if you really needed more nomad remains for some sort of "research" why in hell is it soo difficult to ask the Order inRP about a bit more? Seems like people seem to become too lazy for this.
RP on forums became very difficult for many in these days, even a little amount of it. I hear people b*tching about having to ask the owners of a station not to get shot at, on a daily basis, like it would be so damn hard to do so.
RE: Zoners - Zen_Mechanics - 06-09-2013
Well I said what needed to be said, I know a few nostalgic groups who do collect remains purley for research, but a lot others do so with the intention of building cloaks. But I agree with Merc, you don't open someones refrigerator without asking, that's rude, or stupid, or both. But I realize that asking takes time and some good explainations in the proccess, It's not like you have a direct line of communication with The Order but I gather Omicron is here most of the time.
RE: Zoners - Crackpunch - 06-09-2013
(06-09-2013, 03:06 PM)Anaximander Wrote: Well then Order is a lousy ally. Why should Zoners supply them, other than for direct financial gain and nothing else?
And if Zoners only supply Order for profit, then couldn't someone easily buy off the Zoners and crush the Order that way?
Read the second line of my post.
RE: Zoners - n00bl3t - 06-10-2013
(06-09-2013, 06:48 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:(06-09-2013, 03:28 PM)n00bl3t Wrote: I daresay the only problem I'd have with handing over large bundles of nomad remains is that I shot them down (in self-defence or whatever, before the anti-farming deathsquad arrives) and then someone comes along and takes a few million off my hands with nothing more than "I got the right ID for this".
Edit: I daresay some Zoners like The Order/BHG Core war, because it's profitable to supply both sides.
If you think about what you harvested as "few millions" that's rather farming than self-defense. And that is what Order wants to keep for themselves for reasons been stated before. I think the alliance exists between the two because Zoners were behaving according to Order's directives. Yet I would watch with interest if a group of Zoners would actually favor the Core more.
I swear I protected myself against the anti-farming police.
And yes, I do see it as self-defence. They shot at me first. They are not lives for my character, they are remains. Remains that are worth credits if I sell them, and worth a loss of my time if I do not. (Time which could have been spent making profit.)
Either way, since there is now a farming registry for more than 10, it would be wise to apply there.
RE: Zoners - Duvelske - 06-10-2013
(06-09-2013, 10:13 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:(06-09-2013, 07:18 PM)Mercarryn Wrote: So, if you really needed more nomad remains for some sort of "research" why in hell is it soo difficult to ask the Order inRP about a bit more? Seems like people seem to become too lazy for this.
RP on forums became very difficult for many in these days, even a little amount of it. I hear people b*tching about having to ask the owners of a station not to get shot at, on a daily basis, like it would be so damn hard to do so.
+1
Zoners are more RP fella's in a way, at least they have great possibilities for it. Yet no one cares for that..(or only when its almost too late for diplomacy) Only what people see is almost NO REPHACKS. Its a shame in a way, but well i guess disco has changed. As some others did too and left the game due to this. I have to agree there are now a handfull of good RP guys in here. Some zoner some not, but honestly i hope something will be changed for the better, yet i doubt this will happen.
RE: Zoners - Sabru - 06-10-2013
(06-10-2013, 08:04 AM)Duvelske Wrote:(06-09-2013, 10:13 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:(06-09-2013, 07:18 PM)Mercarryn Wrote: So, if you really needed more nomad remains for some sort of "research" why in hell is it soo difficult to ask the Order inRP about a bit more? Seems like people seem to become too lazy for this.
RP on forums became very difficult for many in these days, even a little amount of it. I hear people b*tching about having to ask the owners of a station not to get shot at, on a daily basis, like it would be so damn hard to do so.
+1
Zoners are more RP fella's in a way, at least they have great possibilities for it. Yet no one cares for that..(or only when its almost too late for diplomacy) Only what people see is almost NO REPHACKS. Its a shame in a way, but well i guess disco has changed. As some others did too and left the game due to this. I have to agree there are now a handfull of good RP guys in here. Some zoner some not, but honestly i hope something will be changed for the better, yet i doubt this will happen.
Absolutely right duvelske
RE: Zoners - Anaximander - 06-10-2013
(06-10-2013, 08:04 AM)Duvelske Wrote: +1
Zoners are more RP fella's in a way, at least they have great possibilities for it. Yet no one cares for that..(or only when its almost too late for diplomacy) Only what people see is almost NO REPHACKS. Its a shame in a way, but well i guess disco has changed. As some others did too and left the game due to this. I have to agree there are now a handfull of good RP guys in here. Some zoner some not, but honestly i hope something will be changed for the better, yet i doubt this will happen.
If you want to get to the root of the problem, you'd be better off trying to understand those you talk about rather than just go "no one cares for that".
If the ID and faction lore states that two parties should be neutral or friendly to each other, of course people will complain that they have to ask NOT to get shot by the bases of friendlies/allies - I mean according to ID and lore, not getting shot should be a given for friendlies/allies. But apparently that part is really hard to drive into the skulls of base-owners, even though it's pretty much common sense.
You desperately want people to talk to you on the forum, so you create a gate-keeping base to guard a ship people are coming to pick up, knowing full well that it is a bug that the ship is only sold in your shop. You state that that is RP, but to me, if I wanted to pick up an Aquilon on a Zoner character, it would frustrate my sense of RP that I had to ask TAZ for permission for a Zoner ship. Not to mention the mess you make inrp when you start to shoot Outcasts - that Outcast leadership is increeeeeeedibly show and almost apathetic and don't do much to set you straight doesn't change the fact that you hardly care for diplomacy too - or at least you only care for one side of it ("Baffin is OURS!!!!11!") and blatantly disregard the other side (that you are situated along a vital trade route, and if you unsettle trade in the least you can expect the bigger guys on the block to crush you - not much difference between ZA and TAZ in this instance, really. Better English skills, nicer formatting and more skype friends, but the same self-sufficient approach, it seems).
You always look at things so incredibly one-sided, and the worst part is that you always seem to think that you are in the right and everyone else is wrong or "don't care for rp". It's not true. When I have a problem with TAZ and 2 of your bases, it is BECAUSE of the impact those two have on the roleplay of my characters - consequences I can't play out because you pretend that your base isn't upsetting a fragile balance, and the factions that should care hardly do - and not in spite of RP.