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Liberty Navy [LN] - Sonja - 02-13-2010
Transmission; Start
Identification: Commodore Christina Robinson
Location: Texas system, Planet Houston
Natasha;
Until I get what I'm asking from you, nothing will be done about your as of right now, baseless complaint. No evidence, even a refusal to provide your own identification aside from your first name. These are not things to go to any kind of judicial authority over.
Fingerpointing will get you nowhere in Liberty, or any other house for that matter, without at least your own identification for analysis by the relevant authorities.
Quote:I do not see how ... prior good/bad acts, or anything else NOT related to the situation I bring before the authorities has anything to do with my complaint.
I will not allow a pirate or murderer currently on the run from the authorities, of which there are many I assure you, to be responsible for the prosecution of a hithertoo lawful and quite moderate gentleman. If you have nothing to hide, then I suggest you hide nothing and disclose your affiliations.
Quite frankly, I care little what Austin Goodmen does as his day job, and it has no bearing on my decision here. This is an internal matter as has been made clear by the complete lack of any Bretonian representatives on this communication channel, as well as a complete lack of correspondance from the accused himself.
Quote:You should not summarily dismiss my case simply because the person I am accusing is a member of a foreign house's military or police.
Here, you are saying that if Austin isnt prosecuted under the terms that you would like to see, we are corrupt. Unfortunately for you, it doesn't work like that here, and will get you very quickly ignored.
Until I get what I asked for, that is, evidence of the crime committed and your own affiliations, nothing will be done to further your case. On top of that, you will automatically become a criminal for bountying an innocent man.
Of course, I expect a negative response. I dare you to prove me wrong.
Transmission Terminated
Addendum:
Code:
[color=#66FFFF][color=#66FFFF][b]Suspect Comms ID[/b][/color]:[color=#FFFFFF] [Comms ID of Suspect][/color]
[color=#66FFFF][b]Reporter Comms ID[/b][/color]: [color=#FFFFFF][Comm ID of your ship when you encountered the suspect - This can be left blank if you wish to be anonymous][/color]
[color=#66FFFF][b]Evidence of Allegiance[/b][/color]: [color=#FFFFFF][Upload your current status with the Liberty nation here - Your reputation infosystem will be useful here] [/color]
[color=#66FFFF][b]List of Crimes[/b][/color]:[color=#FFFFFF] [list]
[*][Item 1]
[*][Item 2]
[*][Item 3]
[*][Item X]
[st]
[/color]
[color=#66FFFF][b]Evidence of Crime(s)[/b][/color]: [color=#FFFFFF][Upload guncam or audio tapes here][/color]
[color=#66FFFF][b]Reporter Comments[/b][/color]: [color=#FFFFFF][Your official statement regarding the suspect. Only report what pertains to the suspect's charges][/color]
[color=#66FFFF][b]Processing Officer's Comments[/b][/color]: [color=#FFFFFF][Leave this section blank][/color]Above is the submission form for the criminal registry, maintained by Captain Malrone. Notice, you have to provide evidence of your own allegiance as part of the report, as well as evidence of the accused's wrongdoing. Evidence which you have yet to submit. This is not likely to change just because you deem it irrelevant to any case you wish to press.
Liberty Navy [LN] - Archelon - 02-13-2010
FROM: Natasha
TO: Commodore Christina Robinson
Yes yes. Lets prosecute the victim here. I've got a sinking feeling you're looking for a way out of prosecuting a friend. Very well. I'll give you what you asked for. You'll have your excuse for avoiding bringing Austin up on any charges.
Congratulations Austin. You get a free pass. Nice to have friends in high places that let you get away with rape and attempted murder.
As for my complaint being "baseless." How does my ship being destroyed in New York with AEGIS and [LN] vessels present to witness the explosion while I scream for mercy count? There were several witnesses in New York listening to my pleading with AEGIS and [LN] to come and hear my complaint. The one statement on my side is that of AEGIS-Iwo.Jima telling Austin.Goodmen that he did NOT have authority to make a civilian arrest. Austin's claim about why he destroyed my vessel is the argument he can use in his defense at trial. But regardless, it was NOT his right to be the executioner of my vessel when two AEGIS and an [LN] vessel were present to do that for him (if found to be necessary at all).
If you take my complaint against Austin.Goodmen seriously and give me some justice in THIS matter, I will cancel the bounty on him. That I promise you.
Now, here is the information you requested.
- ID is Pirate (independent -- no affiliation whatsoever)
- IFF is Freelancer
My ID also allows me to trade, escort/defend smugglers and many other things besides simple piracy. I am in a freighter after all. My max shield class is 6. I am hardly any threat. Least of all to a VHF with class 10 guns and class 10 shielding as Austin had. Incidentally, Austin's ship transmits a Freelancer ID and Freelancer IFF. He's not a police officer or military officer or even a vigilante in that vessel of his.
Incidentally, you're only asking for evidence from me as to who and what I am. I don't see the same request from Austin. I can only presume he has favored treatment.
Natasha signing off
Liberty Navy [LN] - Sonja - 02-13-2010
Transmission; Start
Identification: Commodore Christina Robinson
Location: Texas system, Planet Houston
Natasha;
I wont go through explaining the judicial system of Liberty to you as it seems to be completely pointless. Whatever I say, you ignore it and summize that, if you dont get your way, we must be hiding something.
However, let me show you something else, with the relevant section highlighted:
' Wrote:----------------------------- SECTION FOUR : KNOWN CRIMINALS ----------------[color=#FFFF]-------------
All those possessing:
Outcast IDs
Rheinland Military IDs
Phantom IDs
Pirate ID's
Liberty Rogue IDs
Lane Hacker IDs
Xenos IDs
Any vessels carrying slaves (200,000)
...
Why, you ask? Because the amount of Freelancer affiliated Pirate identified criminals has skyrocketted. The infamous Blue Raven, responsible for a huge amount of damage to public property, was as such, as were many of her accomplices as well as other criminals. I also know that the maximum shielding, freighter class six, is also over two times more resistant to fire than the fighter class ten variant. Whether you think you were a threat or not isn't the first or last thought in the mind of someone when they think you're a threat.
The reason you were being asked for evidence and not Austin, is because I do pay attention and it was claimed that you were a pirate in a Bactrian. Your unwillingness to provide your identification until pressed to do so further reinforced my suspicion. I do however, commend your honesty.
Combine the above quoted law with:
' Wrote:...
We at the Liberty Navy do consider people guilty by affiliation. This is through the experience that many apparently innocent people affiliated with these criminal organisations have in the future gone on to commit crimes against commercial, civilian and even military interests, something which is utterly unacceptable. If that means the Liberty Navy attacking as a means of defense, I see no problem at all.
...
And:
' Wrote:-------------[color=#CCFFFF]------------------------ SECTION ONE : CRIME -------------------------------------
...
III. Assault.
The assault of any member of the Liberty forces for any reason is illegal, unless specific verbal exemption is given for a particular instance by a member of the high command structures of the primary fleets only.
The assault of any civilian for any reason, including the collection of bounties, is illegal. The only case that this is allowed is if that civilian has breeched the law, and only if permitted by a representative of the forces of Liberty.
Bounty Hunters, Mercenaries and Freelancers are allowed to collect against those already part of groups that the Liberty forces consider hostile.
...
Now do you understand why, under the current law, he was allowed to attack you? Frankly, I doubt it.
Transmission Terminated
Liberty Navy [LN] - Panzer - 02-13-2010
Methinx Liberty needs a single person who would assume the RP role of the president and the oorp role of a link between all intra-Liberty lawful factions, serve as ultimate authority for the house, factions and indies alike.
Liberty Navy [LN] - Zeltak - 02-13-2010
' Wrote:Methinx Liberty needs a single person who would assume the RP role of the president and the oorp role of a link between all intra-Liberty lawful factions, serve as ultimate authority for the house, factions and indies alike.
I agree on the fact that we could have a president for Role-Playing purposes but I do not, in any shape or form agree on the fact that this single individual shall serve as the ultimate authority over all the Liberty Military Factions and Corporations. That is not only unfair seeing as we have our very own ranking system but such a concept will easily turn into a huge problem of biasness.
Liberty Navy [LN] - McNeo - 02-13-2010
' Wrote:Methinx Liberty needs a single person who would assume the RP role of the president and the oorp role of a link between all intra-Liberty lawful factions, serve as ultimate authority for the house, factions and indies alike.
And if the Navy organises this, the government will most likely be fairly militaristic... so why is this in the [LN] feedback thread? That said, you can also argue that the above involving Morgan the Red should also not be here, since this is not a roleplay thread.
Every house government being like militaristic Rheinland isn't that great, and the person who gets the job will also have a lot of paperwork on his hands competing for votes between the Liberty Populist Reform Party, far right, and the Liberty Justice and Constitution Pary, which seems to me as being left of centre.
But you are right, we need someone to fill the job. I just doubt anyone will want to take up the job of leading a party which is just right of centre, as I think Powell's party might be, into the next election however. That, and people don't like being told what to roleplay.
To be honest, we were thinking of governors for each of the major system, but there just arent the number of people we need to fill these political positions. Another idea popped into my mind about that just now though.
As a general thing, if anyone complains inRP here, I'll respond likewise. If anyone complains out of roleplay here, I will respond in the same way. It's up to you.
EDIT: What Zeltak said. Such a role would be carefully regulated, as the position of Emperor of Kusari also is. Zelot doesnt go and do things without first having the support of the Council of the Rising Suns, or rather those present in the skype chat when the issue is brought up.
Liberty Navy [LN] - Reverend Del - 02-13-2010
Were I not in the middle of a million projects I'd happily reprise my role as Powell, but it can only be a Roleplay position any authority it could wield must be agreed by the official factions that represent the in game arm of Liberty's government. Anything else is unfair on them and their command structure, especially when the position is not as well established as that of the Shogun of the KNF, or Kanzler of Rheinland.
But if you do look back you will note that it was Powell who declared war on Rheinland all those months ago.
Liberty Navy [LN] - Zeltak - 02-13-2010
Aye, I remember you being Powell and since you already have experience it would have been nice if you could re-claim that position. Hopefully you might find time later on.
Liberty Navy [LN] - Archelon - 02-13-2010
FROM: Natasha
TO: Commodore Christina Robinson
That was the response I expected from you. Thanks for nothing. I believe Liberty has reach the limits of its capabilities when dealing with others. I understand your position clearly now, "Red is Dead." You cast me into the stereotype of "you asked for it because you wore that short red dress" category. Fine. If you can't see past your microscopic vision to see the bigger picture then so be it.
Nevertheless, I've already removed the bounty on Austin.Goodmen as I understand there is an inquiry already underway. At least Bretonia is willing to listen. And as far as I can tell, Liberty will most likely always be haunted with the comical actions of all its players for, well, pretty much forever. If the Liberty authorities cannot constrain themselves beyond "Red is Dead" then there is no hope for any civility. Enjoy the "engaging pirate" mentality.
Natasha signing off
Liberty Navy [LN] - Zeltak - 02-13-2010
The only one here who believes that the [LN] carries a policy of "Red is Dead" is you. Whenever I stumble upon a criminal I give THEM the chance to avoid combat by demanding a fine and getting arrested. But with everyone's pride getting in their way, how many do you really think wants to accept such a demand? So they start shooting the hell outta' me.
As for other normal law-abiding civilians (including Traders) - I have escorted, assisted and Role-Played through various other means with.
To be honest Christina Robinson has been very patient with your complaint which by the way STILL lacks any kind of physical evidence, even your very own affiliation wasn't even provided through a picture, instead you wrote it.
You are entitled to your opinions and views on Liberty, but personally, seeing as they are far from the truth, I'm not offended nevertheless bothered to care.
Have a good day!