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[2013.07.30. 21:33:53] hasslhoff: What's wrong with you trolls?

[2013.07.30. 21:34:09] *** Spazzy (Sindroms) has shared contact details with hasslhoff. ***

[2013.07.30. 22:46:20] hasslhoff: (facepalm)

[2013.07.30. 23:07:39] Spazzy (Sindroms): What?

[2013.07.30. 23:08:10] hasslhoff: your group is so stupid

[2013.07.30. 23:08:27] Spazzy (Sindroms): Okay?

[2013.07.30. 23:08:53] hasslhoff: why da hell are you doing that ooRP *****?

[2013.07.30. 23:09:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): What OORP *****?

[2013.07.30. 23:11:21] hasslhoff: about the bass hunters

[2013.07.30. 23:11:40] Spazzy (Sindroms): Which aspect about a group of players killing bases is OORP exactly?

[2013.07.30. 23:11:51] Spazzy (Sindroms): Or did you think that bases are untouchable?

[2013.07.30. 23:12:17] hasslhoff: nope

[2013.07.30. 23:12:26] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well then, where do you see the OORP bit?

[2013.07.30. 23:12:34 | Edited 23:12:53] hasslhoff: but there still should be a RP reason to shoot one

[2013.07.30. 23:13:18] Spazzy (Sindroms): Yes, there is a reason. Just like you make a pirate character for oorp reasons, you attack bases in oorp reasons. You just need the RP JUSTIFICATION to RP one. Everything else is completely dependent on the player's innitiatives, not the character.

[2013.07.30. 23:13:42] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attacked liberty bases on LR ships.

[2013.07.30. 23:13:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attacked outcast bases on Corsairs.

[2013.07.30. 23:13:55] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attack kusari ships on Blood Dragons.

[2013.07.30. 23:13:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Bases rather.

[2013.07.30. 23:14:06] Spazzy (Sindroms): So where is the OORP aspect?

[2013.07.30. 23:14:17] hasslhoff: seriously?

[2013.07.30. 23:14:35] Spazzy (Sindroms): Okay, do you have a pirate or a lawful character?

[2013.07.30. 23:14:48] Spazzy (Sindroms): I am going to just make an example.

[2013.07.30. 23:14:56] hasslhoff: nope

[2013.07.30. 23:15:05] hasslhoff: i just have AI's

[2013.07.30. 23:15:16] Spazzy (Sindroms): Okay, which factions are hostile to AIs?

[2013.07.30. 23:15:31] Spazzy (Sindroms): For the sake of the example.

[2013.07.30. 23:15:39] hasslhoff: GMG was

[2013.07.30. 23:16:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): Okay, so if you see a GMG on your AI. Is it not OORP innitiative to attack it?

[2013.07.30. 23:16:13] Spazzy (Sindroms): You have an RP justification to attack a GMG.

[2013.07.30. 23:16:20] Spazzy (Sindroms): But it is YOU who makes the decision to do that.

[2013.07.30. 23:16:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): Aka, OORP decision.

[2013.07.30. 23:16:40] hasslhoff: sure but you haven't done so at all while attacking bases

[2013.07.30. 23:16:49] hasslhoff: best example is ours

[2013.07.30. 23:17:21] Spazzy (Sindroms): (wait) I attacked yours, because an [AI] tagged player cruiser attacked my legate, while I was trying to buy guns, because my guard rep wasn't good enough to buy them from the corsair guard system.

[2013.07.30. 23:17:36] Spazzy (Sindroms): So I rounded up a few friends and shot your base.

[2013.07.30. 23:17:44] Spazzy (Sindroms): We killed it, never attacked the AI again.

[2013.07.30. 23:18:05] Spazzy (Sindroms): My character got attacked by an AI. There is your RP reason.

[2013.07.30. 23:18:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): It was an OORP decision, however, to attack your base.

[2013.07.30. 23:20:07] hasslhoff: both times?

[2013.07.30. 23:20:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): Both?

[2013.07.30. 23:20:28] Spazzy (Sindroms): I personally shot the one, which was next to the planet.

[2013.07.30. 23:20:30] Spazzy (Sindroms): The core 1 one

[2013.07.30. 23:21:00] hasslhoff: as i remember both bases were destroyed by you guys

[2013.07.30. 23:21:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): http://i.imgur.com/U3cdcNb.jpg

[2013.07.30. 23:21:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): This is the one I shot

[2013.07.30. 23:22:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): Was this the first or the second base?

[2013.07.30. 23:23:00] hasslhoff: second

[2013.07.30. 23:23:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): Then I have no idea what happened with the first or why it was *****

[2013.07.30. 23:23:16] hasslhoff: the first was Consensus Command Unit

[2013.07.30. 23:23:17] Spazzy (Sindroms): I did not CREATE the bass hunters

[2013.07.30. 23:23:25] Spazzy (Sindroms): I joined them, and then they were nameless

[2013.07.30. 23:23:34] Spazzy (Sindroms): I sort of took over, actually (rofl)

[2013.07.30. 23:23:41] hasslhoff: and you guys were also the one shot it

[2013.07.30. 23:23:44] Spazzy (Sindroms): I did create the name (wait)

[2013.07.30. 23:23:58] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well, I wasn't there at the time, so I do not know about the first one

[2013.07.30. 23:25:51] hasslhoff: well what is so funny about base raging?

[2013.07.30. 23:26:03] hasslhoff: and disturbing the community?

[2013.07.30. 23:26:33] Spazzy (Sindroms): Because the moment bases were implemented, they were supposed to be a group effort.

[2013.07.30. 23:26:43] Spazzy (Sindroms): Maybe one in 20 bases actually has a group behind it.

[2013.07.30. 23:26:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Just like there were pirates targeting jump traders, we target any base that runs out of stuff.

[2013.07.30. 23:27:09] Spazzy (Sindroms): If you have a group, you can defend it

[2013.07.30. 23:27:18] Spazzy (Sindroms): If you do not, then you are not supposed to have one in the first place.

[2013.07.30. 23:29:32] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is the same as people making pirate groups to attack convoys. Or mining operations.

[2013.07.30. 23:29:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is an imbalanced addition to the mod and we balance it by giving some danger to base building.

[2013.07.30. 23:29:56] Spazzy (Sindroms): Otherwise they sort of just...sit there.

[2013.07.30. 23:31:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): Thing is, most people in the BH are just a bunch of peeps, who just fly with each other. Nobody really organizes the base raids, otherwise you'd think we have caps all over the place.

[2013.07.30. 23:32:17] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is sort of more along the lines of ''hey, there is a base dying over there, who wants to help give it a push?''

[2013.07.30. 23:33:03] Spazzy (Sindroms): Thing is, people are butthurt that days of effort die and such, but if you are so careless to actually allow your core 4 beauty to start dying, you might as well deserve it.

[2013.07.30. 23:33:13] hasslhoff: so why don't you do it with nomad chars?

[2013.07.30. 23:33:25] hasslhoff: inRP in makes quite more sense

[2013.07.30. 23:33:30] Spazzy (Sindroms): Not really.

[2013.07.30. 23:33:34] Spazzy (Sindroms): ZOI is small

[2013.07.30. 23:33:43] Spazzy (Sindroms): For the non-Kahara nomads, I mean.

[2013.07.30. 23:34:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): And not to mention sneaking a base attack in a populated place such as Liberty, for example, is thrilling by itself.

[2013.07.30. 23:34:35] Spazzy (Sindroms): So if it is a lawful base, we use unlawful ships, if it is an unlawful, we use unlawfuls.

[2013.07.30. 23:34:50] Spazzy (Sindroms): The fun bit is fending off the attackers, tbh.

[2013.07.30. 23:35:13] Spazzy (Sindroms): If the base dies, okay, so it dies. If a whole swatforce of defenders come, that turns into a small mini-event by itself :D

[2013.07.30. 23:35:22] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is fun (wait)

[2013.07.30. 23:35:34] hasslhoff: well what do you miss is the point that you allways attack organized

[2013.07.30. 23:35:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): Eh, not really.

[2013.07.30. 23:35:55] hasslhoff: you do not offer this to the groups you attack

[2013.07.30. 23:36:01] Spazzy (Sindroms): People remember only the bases the bass hunters killed

[2013.07.30. 23:36:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): Nobody dares to mention the times when we get bomberraped to bits :D

[2013.07.30. 23:36:18] Spazzy (Sindroms): Like the assault on the pheonix freeport

[2013.07.30. 23:36:24] Spazzy (Sindroms): That was just brutal

[2013.07.30. 23:36:36] Spazzy (Sindroms): It was 4 legates versus

[2013.07.30. 23:36:45] hasslhoff: [otrdiena, 2013. gada 30. jūlijā 23:27] Spazzy (Sindroms): 



<<< If you have a group, you can defend it

If you do not, then you are not supposed to have one in the first place.cause i can agree on this point

[2013.07.30. 23:36:51] Spazzy (Sindroms): 4 AIs, 5 zoners, 1 OC dread, 4 FLs, two orders

[2013.07.30. 23:37:15] hasslhoff: sure cause you guys made some other guys quite angry

[2013.07.30. 23:37:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): I never said it was a bad thing.

[2013.07.30. 23:37:27] Spazzy (Sindroms): That was fun as hell

[2013.07.30. 23:37:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): And I am pretty sure ''surviving a Bass hunter Siege'' is something to brag around right now, I don't know.

[2013.07.30. 23:37:53] Spazzy (Sindroms): I owned a core 4 base myself

[2013.07.30. 23:37:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Wallace Production Facility

[2013.07.30. 23:38:08] hasslhoff: never heard about it

[2013.07.30. 23:38:09] Spazzy (Sindroms): I kept it alive by myself, no problem

[2013.07.30. 23:38:19] Spazzy (Sindroms): It was a base next to Leeds Jumpgate in New London

[2013.07.30. 23:38:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): eh, not leeds

[2013.07.30. 23:38:24] Spazzy (Sindroms): Dublin

[2013.07.30. 23:38:31] Spazzy (Sindroms): anyway, I kept it alive by myself, no problem

[2013.07.30. 23:38:40] Spazzy (Sindroms): So I know how easy it is to maintain a base solo

[2013.07.30. 23:38:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): Thing is, it is not SUPPOSED to be like that

[2013.07.30. 23:38:55 | Edited 23:39:09] hasslhoff: why don't you siege stupid ZA bases?

[2013.07.30. 23:39:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): We did (wait)

[2013.07.30. 23:39:06] Spazzy (Sindroms): On alts

[2013.07.30. 23:39:15] Spazzy (Sindroms): Problem is, the ZA keep them supplied

[2013.07.30. 23:39:25] Spazzy (Sindroms): So it is pointless

[2013.07.30. 23:39:44] Spazzy (Sindroms): And if they can keep them and are big enough as a group, they pretty much deserve to have them

[2013.07.30. 23:39:48] Spazzy (Sindroms): if that makes any sense

[2013.07.30. 23:40:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): That and I sort of find it highly funny how a new group of peeps like the ZA come around, point the middle finger to all the dying, half-active zoner official factions and take over a whole system

[2013.07.30. 23:40:27] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is hilarious

[2013.07.30. 23:40:44] Spazzy (Sindroms): But if their bases start to die, sure, we will be there to help

[2013.07.30. 23:40:45] Spazzy (Sindroms): (nerd)

[2013.07.30. 23:41:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): We already made a few AI cruisers for that

[2013.07.30. 23:41:37] hasslhoff: [otrdiena, 2013. gada 30. jūlijā 23:40] Spazzy (Sindroms): 



<<< And if they can keep them and are big enough as a group, they pretty much deserve to have themthey aren't

[2013.07.30. 23:41:50] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well, their bases aren't running out, so they are big enough anyway

[2013.07.30. 23:42:13] Spazzy (Sindroms): Point stands, if they start to die, they will have a bunch of trigger-happy AI Cruisers visiting them

[2013.07.30. 23:43:05] Spazzy (Sindroms): The main problem for the bass hunters is that since we do not use tags, nobody can tell if a siege is done by us or someone else

[2013.07.30. 23:43:19] Spazzy (Sindroms): so if there are some lolwuts sieging some base, reengaging or oorping, guess who takes the blame

[2013.07.30. 23:43:57] hasslhoff: so use a tag

[2013.07.30. 23:44:31] Spazzy (Sindroms): Can't

[2013.07.30. 23:44:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): The whole Bass Hunters do not exist ingame

[2013.07.30. 23:44:55] Spazzy (Sindroms): it is just a funny name we came up with for the players involved

[2013.07.30. 23:45:01] hasslhoff: they act ingame so they are ingame

[2013.07.30. 23:45:09] Spazzy (Sindroms): since we use many types of ships and IDs, we cannot use a tag

[2013.07.30. 23:45:19] Spazzy (Sindroms): we cannot be ''one group''

[2013.07.30. 23:45:36] Spazzy (Sindroms): Though if we were given a terrorist ID........

[2013.07.30. 23:45:42] Spazzy (Sindroms): That would pretty much solve the problem

[2013.07.30. 23:45:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): unlimited ZOI on any ship, free engagement rights

[2013.07.30. 23:46:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): Though it would not be as fun either

[2013.07.30. 23:47:41] hasslhoff: but will make it much more fair

[2013.07.30. 23:48:03] hasslhoff: cause it's still need time to recognize what is going on currently

[2013.07.30. 23:48:18] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well, as far as I know the rules will get an overhaul

[2013.07.30. 23:48:37] Spazzy (Sindroms): something about bases being invoulneragble and can be attacked only with a pre-planned RP event sort of thing

[2013.07.30. 23:48:51] Spazzy (Sindroms): Though I do not know if they meant it for POBs or actual ingame NPC bases

[2013.07.30. 23:52:29] Spazzy (Sindroms): Don't quote me on that, those are just rumors from a guy, who knows one of the devs.

[2013.07.30. 23:53:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): I know for a fact that POB engagement rules WILL change to prevent such sudden attacks and cator to the whole "Give sufficient time to respond" part of the regular PVP engagement rules.

[2013.07.30. 23:54:20] hasslhoff: anyway fact is i don't think you guys have the right to say which base stay alive or should be dead

[2013.07.30. 23:54:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): The owners of the bases have a right to judge whether their bases live or die. They just have to supply them.

[2013.07.30. 23:54:57] Spazzy (Sindroms): We never attack supplied bases.

[2013.07.30. 23:55:01] Spazzy (Sindroms): That is the whole point.

[2013.07.30. 23:55:29] hasslhoff: core 1 bases have to be delivered everyday

[2013.07.30. 23:55:36] hasslhoff: that's not fair though

[2013.07.30. 23:56:11] Spazzy (Sindroms): Then why would you build one if you cannot support it?

[2013.07.30. 23:57:56] hasslhoff: maybe cause noone was there earlier?

[2013.07.30. 23:58:33] hasslhoff: supporting is not defense

[2013.07.30. 23:58:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): If POBs are supposed to be a group project, how was nobody able to supply it?

[2013.07.30. 23:58:50] Spazzy (Sindroms): Or defend it for that matter.

[2013.07.30. 23:58:55] Spazzy (Sindroms): Two bombers can break a siege easily.

[2013.07.30. 23:59:11] Spazzy (Sindroms): That is a fact people have proven before.

[0:00:38] hasslhoff: thats not new

[0:00:58] hasslhoff: but you still do not have the right to judge it

[0:01:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): No, I have a right to judge it.

[0:01:54] Spazzy (Sindroms): What I do not have, is the right to enforce my beliefs on others.

[0:02:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): In which you are correct.

[0:02:16] Spazzy (Sindroms): However, this is how Discovery works and has always worked.

[0:02:45] Spazzy (Sindroms): And, not to sound like a prat, but I would like to say that I might have been around for a bit longer than you have been to be sure on those assumptions.

[0:03:01] hasslhoff: metagaming as a storm?

[0:03:09] Spazzy (Sindroms): The thing is, there have been maaaaaaany groups doing what we do now. The only difference between them and the bass hunters is that we do it completely openly.

[0:03:32] Spazzy (Sindroms): We let the people know how and why we do it and do not hide behind ***** roleplay stories and paragraphs of sensless chatter to do so.

[0:03:40] Spazzy (Sindroms): And that is the only reason why people are mad.

[0:03:58] hasslhoff: it is a RP server

[0:03:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Look at the Reavers, for an example. They are a personalized attack force, killing everything that is paid for.

[0:04:09] hasslhoff: so you don't have an option

[0:04:21] Spazzy (Sindroms): They have the RP behind it, but it does not change the fact that vets use their services to weed out undesirable indie groups.

[0:04:43] Spazzy (Sindroms): Oh, but we do RP. Every attack we have done, apart from that AI fiasco, since we had to shoot a TBH, was done in RP in mind.

[0:05:00] Spazzy (Sindroms): because, you know, caps are expensive, so nobody would attack bases without following the rules, otherwise their ***** would get deleted

[0:05:15] Spazzy (Sindroms): If we attack a base, we use the needed ID to do that.

[0:05:38] Spazzy (Sindroms): That is pretty much all the RP you need to have on this server (sadly)

[0:06:18] hasslhoff: indeed

[0:06:43] Spazzy (Sindroms): So that is pretty much the summary of the BH

[0:06:56] Spazzy (Sindroms): A group of peeps with a certain idea that POBs need to have effort behind them

[0:07:03] Spazzy (Sindroms): operating on many ships without any ties ingame

[0:07:19] Spazzy (Sindroms): using minimum needed RP to keep within the rules and destroy bases which are dying from not being supplied

[0:07:57] hasslhoff: well i can just speak for myself now

[0:08:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): And, not to brag, being quite effective

[0:08:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): Last time I was ingame, 5kers gauling basic alloy everywhere

[0:08:24] Spazzy (Sindroms): (rofl)

[0:09:00] hasslhoff: but you are wrong what effort means

[0:09:20] hasslhoff: like the consensus...we have set 3 division to have a 3 way leadership.

[0:09:37] Spazzy (Sindroms): I already told you, the only reason why I personally attacked you was because your guys shot me (wait)

[0:09:45] Spazzy (Sindroms): Ive no idea what happened to the first base, since I was not around

[0:09:53] hasslhoff: i for myself am nearly the single guy who is trading and delivering and constructing bases

[0:10:49] hasslhoff: so you mean if just one guy is responsible for the environment of a whole faction

[0:10:59] hasslhoff: the faction don't have the right to have a base

[0:11:57] Spazzy (Sindroms): Yes, if the rest of the faction members are lazy *****, who just want to have nice things without effort

[0:12:14] Spazzy (Sindroms): Kudos for the one guy doing it all, but that is not how it should work

[0:12:32] hasslhoff: nope they aren't they just aren't in the logistic division

[0:12:56] Spazzy (Sindroms): Then what are they doing then?

[0:13:27] hasslhoff: stuff for the main division

[0:13:39] Spazzy (Sindroms): Look, I understand that every once and a while there are exceptions, but the point remains the same. If a group cannot support a base for some reason, they are not supposed to have one. Make RP ties to other factions to support your base, make oorp ties if you have to

[0:14:05] Spazzy (Sindroms): If you upkeep your base constantly and it will never run out of BBs, Fuel and consumer goods

[0:14:10] Spazzy (Sindroms): Then you have NO reason to fear the BH

[0:14:52] hasslhoff: i don't fear you guys ;)

[0:15:39] hasslhoff: i just say the ooRP you spray still reflects back to you

[0:20:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): Eh, to be honest, the people involved could care less.

[0:20:53] hasslhoff: their is a group doing the same ooRP just for hunt you guys the ass off

[0:20:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Let alone me, since I was the one who voulanteered to be the BH ''spokesman'' to begin with

[0:21:11] Spazzy (Sindroms): Good for them, it will be fun

[0:22:34] hasslhoff: nearly 60 guys though (rofl)

[0:22:46] hasslhoff: i am not in anyway

[0:23:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): (rofl)

[0:23:03] Spazzy (Sindroms): Holy crap

[0:23:26] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well, some epic battles of mass proportions is somethign the server lacks these days

[0:23:30] Spazzy (Sindroms): so I wouldn't mind

[0:23:45] Spazzy (Sindroms): (wait) Granted I get to kill at least something before I go up in flames

[0:23:48] Spazzy (Sindroms): (rofl)

[0:24:44] hasslhoff: :D

[0:28:22 | Edited 0:28:33] hasslhoff: well one thing you've earned my respect is...how you collect the most base coords

[0:30:20] Spazzy (Sindroms): (nerd)