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RE: Corsair Carrier - Mímir - 09-09-2014
food doesn't factor in to production that way, only in liberal democracies which Corsair society is not.
if you have a surplus of workers that you can work to death np, the "food/water/luxuries" argument falls a bit flat - how do you think we in the West get our stuff produced so cheaply in the East? In China, more than half a billion people live in regions with scarce supplies of drinking water, and that's only going to increase, yet their production rate is high.
EDIT: In the Corsair situation it is just as good to have one less mouth to feed than it is having the food to feed one extra person - in fact, the first might even be preferred to the latter.
RE: Corsair Carrier - Zayne Carrick - 09-09-2014
Quote:No faction may have more than two battleship-grade vessels.Osiris on 75% doesn't count in that limit?
RE: Corsair Carrier - Zen_Mechanics - 09-09-2014
Someone mentioned slaves, You know, I would rather not see anything like that here or anything else in the world, yeah its a game and all - but i feel like its a grave insult that we even have "slaves" in this mod, infact - the very Idea of creating such an item is deeply disturbing. Slavery is not only ilegal, but downright barbaric and it belongs to the ancient age. Whatever excuses anyone bring about slaves is a complete moron - and I don't care if he does it here or anywhere else. There are a few lines that even Discovery cant pass, It seems to me that theres something faulty here, If names of murderers such as ( theres plenty ) are forbidden - why allowing slaves and discussion about slavery in here?. There are more then a few good million people who are considered slaves, who are beaten daily, payed less and live under terrible conditions - Because they were happened to be born in a different country. I hope the devs delete this crap - as fast as possible.
Edit : To the topic, No - Give outcasts ( and I don't play them )
RE: Corsair Carrier - Sciamach - 09-09-2014
Please. Fly a 75% anything into a battle.
You'll be killed by the laughter before you're killed by absolutely everything else
@Zen: ....can we remain on topic please?
RE: Corsair Carrier - Mímir - 09-09-2014
(09-09-2014, 08:18 AM)Zen_Mechanics Wrote: snip
Why allow guns then? Tonnes of people every day are killed by them.
Or war?
Or dope?
We can all agree that those things are terrible, but at the same time we are playing a game. Plus, slaves are Outcast related, and they might just end up with a happy life as Outcasts, there's been precedence of that in Outcast player lore.
EDIT: K, sorry for off-topic.
RE: Corsair Carrier - SnakThree - 09-09-2014
(09-09-2014, 08:18 AM)Zen_Mechanics Wrote: Someone mentioned slaves, You know, I would rather not see anything like that here or anything else in the world, yeah its a game and all - but i feel like its a grave insult that we even have "slaves" in this mod, infact - the very Idea of creating such an item is deeply disturbing. Slavery is not only ilegal, but downright barbaric and it belongs to the ancient age. Whatever excuses anyone bring about slaves is a complete moron - and I don't care if he does it here or anywhere else. There are a few lines that even Discovery cant pass, It seems to me that theres something faulty here, If names of murderers such as ( theres plenty ) are forbidden - why allowing slaves and discussion about slavery in here?. There are more then a few good million people who are considered slaves, who are beaten daily, payed less and live under terrible conditions - Because they were happened to be born in a different country. I hope the devs delete this crap - as fast as possible."Cheap Workforce" item sound better?
Edit : To the topic, No - Give outcasts ( and I don't play them )
RE: Corsair Carrier - Zen_Mechanics - 09-09-2014
The fact that someone even talks about slavery, as an alternative - to empower himself on the expense of others, in a disgusting travesty is beyond barbaric, even if they had substance, the arrogance of that will be even uglier. This is a game, and I may be accused of putting a real human face on it, but guess what - im human, and everytime I open a newspaper I see people suffer, and you want to talk to me about legitimacy in games? I am practical that no one can get rid of weapons, but were playing a Game, that can be changed to the will of its creator - Slavery doesn't belong here or anywhere else. Games are supposed to be fun, Is it fun to trade slaves? EVEN if they are "imaginery" - Is it moral for a person to even think of selling slaves? Just the Idea drives me insane.
To Snak3 - Sounds completely different and legit, As long as you change the icon and the name.
RE: Corsair Carrier - n00bl3t - 09-09-2014
(09-09-2014, 07:38 AM)Mímir Wrote: I don't think the lack of resources is a proper argument - they have several planets at their disposal, and those have a tendency to be rich in minerals.
If anything, It would be a question of whether or not the faction in question have sophisticated enough technology to construct a Carrier, and well Zoners got one so by that measuring stick, it should be within reason for any faction to have a Carrier, more or less.
EDIT: Another thing is that Carriers in real life (the ships) are ridiculously difficult to construct. Few countries have them. Russia got 1. China got 1, and they had to go out and buy an ex-Soviet hull from Ukraine because they had no clue how to build one. In Disco, everyone can construct carriers, it seems. Zoners got them, even though a Carrier is supposed to be the ultimate fleet superiority vessel. That's a shame - it should only be GRN, Rheinland and Liberty that should field carriers IMO. In real life there is a total number of 20 carriers in service on this planet, 10 of which are 'Murican. They are rare.
Or alternatively: Make the Zoner Carrier an open use ship for all battleship factions so everyone can field carriers.
We'll ignore the subtle stab at Zoners once more and move onwards.
RL is not FL. (Probably the main difference is that carriers in FL are used as tanking devices and not as fleet carriers.)
The above might explain why carriers are so freely available and not so sought after.
The OP of this thread is literally like "let's get carriers because cool".
Also, surely we've hit a politics argument here with China's internal management and dope being mentioned. However, I'm not a moderator so:
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RE: Corsair Carrier - Mímir - 09-09-2014
Oh lordy can someone not mention Zoner without you popping up?
I am trying to figure out what the "stage" is - what are Carriers in Disco? You are probably right, they are easy to construct, and that also explains why Zoners have them. For the sake of atmosphere and how to understand the roleplay environment, that is useful knowledge, because in real life it is the opposite situation. That also rules out any argument of "backwards Corsairs don't know how to construct a carrier", and we are one step further in the discussion. Yay. I also learned something new about the Freelancer universe, and that is useful for the future, when Coalition and other factions might ask for a Carrier.
I am also trying to expand the views on Corsairs beyond corsairs-as-a-liberal-democracy. It is one of the "fun" and interesting things about the Freelancer universe - it dives into past modes of production and social orders of the past. It is interesting to imagine how it would be like to live in a feudal-like society etc. etc., because we have to throw away a whole lot of the categories that shape us as people. Morality, ethics, perception of the world and so on is radically different, and it is fun to imagine that rather than implicitly use contemporary liberal democracies as a prism to understand everything through.
I never said anything about China's internal management, I stated a few facts that are not political in nature - they are statistical and neutral. I wrote the word 'dope', yes, and I also wrote 'slaves', 'guns' and 'war' - what's the big issue?
RE: Corsair Carrier - Zayne Carrick - 09-09-2014
Quote:Games are supposed to be fun, Is it fun to trade slaves?
Is it fun to trade with drug, which causes life-long addiction?
Is it fun to kill other people, even if they're imaginary ones?
Is it fun to practice cannibalism, even ritual one?
Is it fun to give other people choice: life or money, even if both are imaginary ones?
Is it fun to invade other countries to conquer them?
Is it fun to... should I continue?