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Split from Admin Notice. - Baltar - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:Unless he didn't register his ship of course.
I'm assuming you are being sarcastic here.
Split from Admin Notice. - Zapp - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:I must say one thing, and nothing more..
People, at least leave room for the Order to aid Liberty in Nomad invasions. Surely that would make sense, no?
Order comes to Liberty to help defeat invading nomads
If nomads are successfully thwarted, the Navy thanks the Order for the assistance, and allows them to immediately leave without further breakout in combat.
Order leaves Liberty from once they came, that simple..
You weren't in Alaska a couple hours ago. An Order Osiris, Juggernaut, Cruiser, and fighter were coordinating with a pair of LN bombers to 'dragnet' the system to find the LNS Tundra. I do believe it's perfectly fine for people to join up to take down Nomads (or in this case, Nomad-infected ships that have been running amok), as long as they don't act all chummy.
Another incident was Order and LN ignoring eachother over Norfolk to take down three Keepers. It happens, and doesn't really need any statements in the rules - it's common sense.
Split from Admin Notice. - Akumabito - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:I'm assuming you are being sarcastic here.
No. Not at all. Factions are allowed to kill indies oorp if they don't register or if they fly a ship teh faction doesn't want them to.
Split from Admin Notice. - Orin - 10-01-2008
Baltar, absolutely no offense when I say: You don't have a clue what happened here.
He came into Liberty. Killed lawful and civilian NPCs because they were "annoying", which is completely ooRP for his character and his character's faction. Then denied lawful players innocent civilians and fellow lawful escape pods back. Then decided he would wtfpwn them all anyways.
How exactly was his RP dictated? There wasn't any.
Split from Admin Notice. - sn!p3r - 10-01-2008
Thank you admins.
Split from Admin Notice. - Tenacity - 10-01-2008
Posting in regards to the liberty-order 'treaty' - I dont care if one side defends when the other comes there. That's part of RP - however, the 'treaty' is simply an agreement between players on both sides to not travel into the enemy's territory for the time being.
That agreement was signed by all major factions involved and many independent players. Those who do not follow it have to fend for themselves, and will not receive support for their actions from any of the factions who were part of the agreement.
I find it ridiculous that the admins are fed up with OORP on the server, but dont support mutually-agreed RP between players, ESPECIALLY official factions, when it presents itself.
Quit being hypocritical and let the players handle this in an RP manner.
Split from Admin Notice. - Orin - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:Posting in regards to the liberty-order 'treaty' - I dont care if one side defends when the other comes there. That's part of RP - however, the 'treaty' is simply an agreement between players on both sides to not travel into the enemy's territory for the time being.Exactly.
That agreement was signed by all major factions involved and many independent players. Those who do not follow it have to fend for themselves, and will not receive support for their actions from any of the factions who were part of the agreement.
I find it ridiculous that the admins are fed up with OORP on the server, but dont support mutually-agreed RP between players, ESPECIALLY official factions, when it presents itself.
Quit being hypocritical and let the players handle this in an RP manner.
As I've said. I have no freaking problem whatsoever with Ryo RPing a guy who wants to kill Libertonians. That's a tad PvP oriented IMO, but I could care less.
We RPed. He didn't. You can't tell people to not tell people to RP. This is an RP server.
Split from Admin Notice. - Baltar - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:No. Not at all. Factions are allowed to kill indies oorp if they don't register or if they fly a ship teh faction doesn't want them to.
Not registering is not OORP. The whole registration deal is a faction trying to enforce THEIR role play. There is no server rule requiring a capship to register. As I understand what admins are saying here ... I don't have to "register or be killed" since I'm not violating any hard-coded relationship.
' Wrote:Baltar, absolutely no offense when I say: You don't have a clue what happened here.
He came into Liberty. Killed lawful and civilian NPCs because they were "annoying", which is completely ooRP for his character and his character's faction. Then denied lawful players innocent civilians and fellow lawful escape pods back. Then decided he would wtfpwn them all anyways.
How exactly was his RP dictated? There wasn't any.
Then clue me in ... ALL this post says is that a faction / individual cannot dictate how someone does or does not role play their character. They don't exactly go into specifics of the matter. Their statement is a general statement ... they are not addressing specifics here.
They may be insinuating another situation that caused them to write this thread. But for us dumb hicks ... in general terms this post is saying that you cannot dictate how I role play my character OUTSIDE what the hard-coded reps dictate. In other words ... you cannot force me to cease fire on an enemy according to my ID anymore than you can force me to attack my ally just because your player faction made some declaration.
Split from Admin Notice. - Tenacity - 10-01-2008
In response to other posters here:
Quote:I like this. Personally, I'm not fond of the Order-Navy treaty. I think it'll be detrimental to the Order as a whole.
Right now, the order is one of the least populated groups on the server. We have, at most, three or four people online at peak hours. Guess who our primary enemies are? Liberty Navy, LSF, Bounty Hunters, and Nomads (keepers). The Liberty Navy and LSF both EACH outnumber the total number of players active in The Order. Bounty Hunter Independents in their capship pvpwhorage outnumber most factions on the server, and the Keepers never come online unless they've got 3+ keepers on simultaneously.
We're outnumbered, the last thing we need is more pointless conflict with liberty lawfuls when we've got bounty hunter battleships knocking on our back door and Keepers raping us in our own home system. The Ceasefire agreement was simply "dont go into our space and we wont go into yours", it is not an alliance of any kind, but was put in place to keep liberty off of our backs so we can deal with the other idiots that assault our faction constantly.
Quote:Think of the implications of such a treaty.
The Order have three main enemies - Nomads, Liberty, and the BHG.
People are whining that the BHG really have no purpose to fight the Order (despite the infocard that says that they are doing so to gain access to the deep Edge worlds and Nomad tech), and if that passes as well as a Liberty treaty (which they're hostile with due to the fact that they believe the LSF/LN experiment with Nomads), then they'd have one enemy - the Nomads, which have a very small player faction.
Now, did you see what happened to the Mollies after they signed the treaty with Bretonia? They practically died off. There are very few well-RP'd Zoners.
Conflict moves this game. Without any enemies, a faction will die. The Order would die.
The war between bounty hunters and the order will never die, no matter what other allegiances are made. the BHG used liberty's "hiring" against the order as an excuse to start a war, now they're in it for their own purposes - they want to wipe out the order and steal our technology for their own use. Half the reason this 'treaty' was written in the first place was so that we could deal with the BHG and stop having to fight liberty when neither side gains anything from it.
Quote:That's different because korrd supports the right of factions to declare indies KOS and call them traitors or spys, because... well, just because!
If a player wants to be an independent, they need to prove themselves capable of good RP and self restraint. Most are incapable of that, and that is one reason I now support factions regulating independents - you know I was the primary opponent of such only a few months ago, but after seeing firsthand how much poorly-played indies can **** things up, my mind changed pretty quick.
Quote:I must say one thing, and nothing more..
People, at least leave room for the Order to aid Liberty in Nomad invasions. Surely that would make sense, no?
Order comes to Liberty to help defeat invading nomads
If nomads are successfully thwarted, the Navy thanks the Order for the assistance, and allows them to immediately leave without further breakout in combat.
Order leaves Liberty from once they came, that simple..
This is the other reason for the treaty. Even the keepers, high-and-mighty RP'ers that they claim themselves to be, have been wreaking havoc directly on new york lately in a purely pvp-whoring manner. The Order is supposed to be the primary defense of humanity against nomad and other alien threats, it makes sense for us to lend assistance against them. Apparently the admins dont understand that, huh... maybe they should start playing the game again instead of spending all their time moderating it eh?
Quote:I think the point is you can role play how you like ... but you CANNOT tell someone how to role play his ID. If I'm a Liberty Rogue I can attack Liberty or not attack Liberty. You as a member of SCRA cannot tell me that I HAVE to attack Liberty or that Liberty HAS to attack me.
And that isnt what we're doing. We're saying "anyone who considers themselves a true member of the order (or of liberty lawful forces) should not invade the other's space. If you do so, it's your own damn fault and you're on your own to deal with the consequences." We have not attacked any of our own players because they decided to be idiots and break the treaty. The only time we HAVE attacked our own players in the order was in zygoeths' case, where he tried to start an Order Faction to fight other Order players, which is quite clearly OORP behavior.
All we did in ryoken's case was tell him "hey, not cool man, try to create less hostility next time" and he decided to get huffy about it and delete his character. His choice, but not one I agree with, rather than learning from mistakes he ran from them. We never attacked his ship, and I actually tried to defend him before evidence to his actions (and lack of RP) was posted. I wont defend someone who goes into enemy territory to start trouble.
Quote:You weren't in Alaska a couple hours ago. An Order Osiris, Juggernaut, Cruiser, and fighter were coordinating with a pair of LN bombers to 'dragnet' the system to find the LNS Tundra. I do believe it's perfectly fine for people to join up to take down Nomads (or in this case, Nomad-infected ships that have been running amok), as long as they don't act all chummy.
Another incident was Order and LN ignoring eachother over Norfolk to take down three Keepers. It happens, and doesn't really need any statements in the rules - it's common sense.
Exactly. The ceasefire agreement is in no way out of RP for either side involved - it's simply respecting the other group's territorial borders so no incidents occur. We never once said "we'll kick you out of our group and blow up your ship if you dont listen to us" - once again, it was more of a "if you get into trouble it's your own fault, we wont help you."
Split from Admin Notice. - Orin - 10-01-2008
The topic is subtitled: RE : Liberty and The Order, etc
The event that undoubtedly got the admins thinking has nothing to do with anyone dictating RP, but it sounds like that's what the admins are calling it. That's garbage.