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RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Rodent - 08-01-2015
(08-01-2015, 08:52 PM)Thunderer Wrote: I said nothing offensive to you. Please tell me if something I said was offensive, and I will apologize and correct what can be corrected. We are supposed to play together, not war among ourselves.
I tried to be as objective as I could, but I can't help if people see things that aren't really there. I pretty much expected that because there are all kinds of different people with different views on different things. I just mind when they start thinking they are in some kind of a personal war with me, because I don't want to be at war with anyone. I like peace, cooperation and prosperity better.
So as I said, if I did you something wrong to make you speak like that, please tell me, because I don't know and I don't want to.
I have nothing against you, apart from a general wariness/weariness whenever 'yet another thread' comes up trying to 'adjust' Gallia's apparent 'power level' to better suit hidden agendas.
What you need to understand is that this kind of thread is pointless. Every thread ever made debating the power level of any entity in Sirius is pointless. This is a work of pure fiction. Gallia was introduced with an intent in mind, and that intent is something that people steadily miss. Attempting to devalue it's power and authority will erase the entire reason for it's existence. While I am sure some people would rejoice, that would be detrimental to the hundreds of hours put in by various devs as well as various gallic factions. It is big, it is threatening, it seems to be victorious at every turn. The good guys have to fight harder and improvise with all their might, snatching victory from the hands of defeat at the last, most implausible hour. And that victory will be sweet.
If you have issues with this trope, dial up....uh, Homer. And Sage Vyasa. It's as old as writing itself.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Thunderer - 08-01-2015
I am not a Bretonian player. I am neither a Gallic player, nor Libertonian, nor whatever else there is. I am just a player.
Also, this is the first of such threads, at least that I know of, and its goal was to make Gallia look like less of a straightforward antagonist and more like a nation struggling to survive and live a better life, something all nations do. Something closer to Rheinland. Many people who I asked why they don't make Gallic characters answered me that it was because they wanted to play for the "good guys". There were 3 problems actually, but I can't solve those 2 and one of them might be slightly offensive, so I won't mention them.
I am trying to revive Gallia and prepare it for Liberty, because Liberty will be the main source of interaction for Gallia in the next update and, as some of us have seen during Magellan raids, Gallia needs to attract a whole lot more players, and for that it needs to be much more popular. The Bohemes are part of my Gallia's life support plan.
My goal is to cause more activity. Thank you for "helping" me.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Rodent - 08-01-2015
(08-01-2015, 09:39 PM)Thunderer Wrote: I am not a Bretonian player. I am neither a Gallic player, nor Libertonian, nor whatever else there is. I am just a player.
Also, this is the first of such threads, at least that I know of, and its goal was to make Gallia look like less of a straightforward antagonist and more like a nation struggling to survive and live a better life, something all nations do. Something closer to Rheinland. Many people who I asked why they don't make Gallic characters answered me that it was because they wanted to play for the "good guys".
I am trying to revive Gallia and prepare it for Liberty, because Liberty will be the main source of interaction for Gallia in the next update and, as some of us have seen during Magellan raids, Gallia needs to attract a whole lot more players, and for that it needs to be much more popular. The Bohemes are part of my revival plan. There used to be huge fleets knocking on Bretonia's door before, you know.
My goal is to cause more activity. Thank you for "helping" me.
Feeble Victim's Complex, we meet again. I'm afraid I can't allow you to play that card. I am not the villain, you are not the victim who is 'trying to help'. My arguments are as valid as yours, and hold equal merit.
Gallia's perception in terms of lore has precisely jack-all to do with the activity problems it has from time to time. Mechanically, the house needs to be reduced to maybe 4-6 systems, to make it more accessible and controllable. Gallic start points need to be moved to Leeds instead of Anjou, to facilitate quick participation in engagements. The plot needs to keep moving forward.
You persist in missing my point, so I'll make another attempt at it. You say yourself that Bretonia/Liberty are perceived as the 'good guys'. We can infer that Gallia is the evil here. A weak evil is not terrifying, it's a laughingstock. Reducing the scale of what Gallia is capable of undermines it's 'bad guy' position, and I'd say it will reduce player numbers, not increase them. It will also undermine the entire conflict, with no sense of good vs evil, it's just another boring house war like the much overplayed Rheinland-Liberty one.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Thunderer - 08-01-2015
I completely agree about moving the restart point. I would also move the "fancier" equipment buying spot from Anjou to Leeds, which I had already suggested to Tachyon, and he told me it will be done (soon™?).
Why don't you start a thread about the restart location? It could make a difference and it could make Gallia better. I could do it too, but I don't want to steal the idea, and I have a feeling that people will start posting "dude, why do you make so many threads?" instead of discussing politely.
I do agree that usual House wars like LN vs. RM are less interesting than the one of good vs. evil, but apparently most players think differently. Texas and Hamburg were always more popular than Leeds and Magellan. Maybe the restart location is one of the main reasons? It seems to me, and I wish I realized it before.
On the other hand, another main problem of Gallia is that it is widely considered as the antagonist. There was even some thread asking who was the prime antagonist of Sirius, and Gallia got quite a lot of votes. Most players would rather play for the good than for the evil.
If Gallia is going to continue facing so many factions on the same front, I think it should be made less evil, otherwise its playerbase will never be able to keep up.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Miaou - 08-02-2015
(08-01-2015, 09:39 PM)Thunderer Wrote: I am not a Bretonian player.
[staring at signature intensifies]
Also, you're not really helping Gallia's activity in the long term. You've created a group that will only exist so long as the Gallic Invasion is in the limelight simply because you don't like the official faction for some reason. If you actually wanted to help Gallia's activity, you'd start one of the many missing Gallic factions, or hey, join GRN|, [UC], or [C].
(Also the staff said no to moving the restart point. We already tried moving it out of Anjou)
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Frederic - 08-02-2015
(08-01-2015, 09:03 PM)Rodent Wrote: I have nothing against you, apart from a general wariness/weariness whenever 'yet another thread' comes up trying to 'adjust' Gallia's apparent 'power level' to better suit hidden agendas.
... While I am sure some people would rejoice, that would be detrimental to the hundreds of hours put in by various devs as well as various gallic factions. It is big, it is threatening, it seems to be victorious at every turn. The good guys have to fight harder and improvise with all their might, snatching victory from the hands of defeat at the last, most implausible hour. And that victory will be sweet.
Plus:
Gallic start points need to be moved to Leeds instead of Anjou, to facilitate quick participation in engagements. The plot needs to keep moving forward.
I have to admit I am playing in almost all houses, with the exeption of Gallia. Let me first talk about the Gallia starting point. I like them, this is the roleplay server and it makes sense to NOT put them near other nations just to generate more friction or meetings between members of different houses. You start at the home system of the fraction you join, that makes sense from my point of view.
Regarding the "hundrets of hours put in by various devs as well as various gallic factions", well there are a lot more hours spent by members of the other houses, that are a lot smaler than Gallia. Just look at the number af fractions and posts on the forum and compate... That can't be the reason. In my opinion - please note that this is my opinion and don't take it as an insult or attack or some hidden agenda, people here seem to be really suspicious - there is something wrong with the way Gallia is built. If there is no activity - of which there is quite few - one needs to look why. Well for one thing the gallic system are really big, and quite beautiful, the ships are good, so there is nothing wrong there. But there is no - at least apperent to players or at least new players - reason to go there. Perhaps if you make a new minable commodity like Oil which is needed for all gallic ships after all and make it as profitable as other ore and as quickly minable - wich detered me from playing in Gallia after visiting all mining fields and being serverily disapointed. Also Kusari is like a vassal and Gallia it's liege. Gallia uses it for ressources people before me said. Well how about creating friction between them because Gallia uses Kusari resources and probably doesn't pay well or at all? What about creating transport trains that bring raw materials into gallia with a heavy escort? That would make police and pirating interesting there.
RE: Gallia is a Super House? - Thunderer - 08-02-2015
@Miaou: I don't really care if it is Bretonia or Gallia or whatever. I care for Disco overall. I have that stuff on my sig because I have a say in Bretonian businesses, which is because I am playing there for the longest time. I'd like to put Gallic stuff there too, but I have no say in Gallia. I would have probably started in Gallia if there was anything interesting in it when I started Disco because I like French culture the same as British (but more than American, Japanese and German), but Gallia is more beautiful than Bretonia and has better looking ships. The thing is, Bretonia had a short, profitable and relatively safe trade route between Leeds and New London, with basic alloy and refugees. I went to Gallia once to buy L'Ane, the Brigan transport, because it looked awesome. I also wanted to explore it and see if there were any good routes, but I was shot at by everything lawful, so I returned.
I would gladly join the GRN| and encourage all the Bohemes to do the same, but I can't fly a battleship as an Aspirant. I'd have to grind all the way to Général. I'm not interested in other factions because they don't have battleships. I am interested in the Council actually, and RPing a French liberal is something I'd like to do, but royalist Gallia needs more help than its enemies. I might try to join the Council at some point after this problem is solved if I don't lose faith in Disco completely before that.