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RE: Toward a new zoner group - HassLHoFF™ - 02-09-2016
Moebus, Lambda, Drrobe and me have done some first brainstorming. We have created a skype group. If you like to join, contact one of us. In the meantime, I have created a googledoc to collect and form first concepts and ideas. May check it out and join us if you like it or even if you have some better idea. Some feedback in here might be seriously welcome and really helpful.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C5MFlJ2U41R9ywRevfRQ8CkY8cMHQudee2Uu-zzaiZw/edit
RE: Toward a new zoner group - moebus - 02-10-2016
This is great, thank you for sharing the ideas.
I 've work also on something on my side. More or less a copy paste of the United Nations programs.
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I've contacted the remaining interested people not present in the skype discussion so they can join us on skype and work together.
We have already some good ideas but I am still open to new ones.
As I mentioned, it would be good that each member would equally contribute (if he wish) to the creation by submitting his own idea(s).
About the timeline, it would be great to decide the main lines of the group this weekend so we can write a group definition rapidly.
RE: Toward a new zoner group - E X O D I T E - 02-10-2016
Just stay out of Core|'s way and you'll be fine.
Also, it's the indies you need to look out for. Official Core| now has to respect NFZ for whatever reason.
RE: Toward a new zoner group - HassLHoFF™ - 02-10-2016
(02-10-2016, 01:40 AM)moebus Wrote: This is great, thank you for sharing the ideas.
I 've work also on something on my side. More or less a copy paste of the United Nations programs.
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I've contacted the remaining interested people not present in the skype discussion so they can join us on skype and work together.
We have already some good ideas but I am still open to new ones.
As I mentioned, it would be good that each member would equally contribute (if he wish) to the creation by submitting his own idea(s).
About the timeline, it would be great to decide the main lines of the group this weekend so we can write a group definition rapidly.
I am not keen with it at all, but as I see it the Confederation of Freeports even has similarities to the concept of the UN.
RE: Toward a new zoner group - n00bl3t - 02-10-2016
I am quietly surveying developments.
(02-07-2016, 08:40 PM)Hannibal Wrote: but i gotta ask,with current status..what can one do as a zoner in omicrons? nomad farming isn't an option anymore due to order-zoner relations and core being core(..),trading was never viable ,always inferior and its too much hostility in omicrons as of now,jumptrading has been nerfed too,supply for pobs are a lot more expensive due to order relations..
I am curious about this as well.
(02-08-2016, 08:09 PM)gafwmn Wrote: I would be willing to throw my hat in the ring , as I'm just starting to get back into the swing of things .
Out of nowhere. Long time no see.
RE: Toward a new zoner group - Sabru - 02-10-2016
(02-08-2016, 07:12 PM)moebus Wrote: NFZ is indeed a tricky issue since zoners can hardly enforce it. Unless they (or their bases) are directly attacked they can only make diplomatic threats such as being banned from zoner bases (and anyway, it does not prevent banned people to break NFZ in the future). Maybe it's time to make a proposal to modify the Zoner ID. A change that would allow zoners to open fire within Freeports on ships that have broken the NFZ.
The issue with that proposal is that it would risk opening pandora's box. If you shoot someone breaking the NFZ, and its a faction, there's a chance that things could go in a bad way for zoners. Also, in reference to your post mentioning a UN style body/group well that's another can of worms and also somewhat contrary to the standard conception of zonerdom. CoF is the closest possible analogue that is feasible with zoners.
(02-09-2016, 12:40 PM)Genexus Wrote: Moebus, Lambda, Drrobe and me have done some first brainstorming. We have created a skype group. If you like to join, contact one of us. In the meantime, I have created a googledoc to collect and form first concepts and ideas. May check it out and join us if you like it or even if you have some better idea. Some feedback in here might be seriously welcome and really helpful.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1C5MFlJ2U41R9ywRevfRQ8CkY8cMHQudee2Uu-zzaiZw/edit
I gotta say, i like that university faction idea. Something where each of the zoner factions can give lessons and insight into their particular realms to the average zoner and help foster a more beneficial 'zoner way.' I cant speak for the rest of the popes, but i think opportunities to spread the word of Eris and discordianism via lectures and lessons would be pretty fun to RP.
RE: Toward a new zoner group - Lythrilux - 02-10-2016
(02-10-2016, 02:27 AM)Exodite Asmodai Wrote: Just stay out of Core|'s way and you'll be fine.
Also, it's the indies you need to look out for. Official Core| now has to respect NFZ for whatever reason.
Section 5.0 doesn't infer they have to be respected fully )))
RE: Toward a new zoner group - The Savage - 02-10-2016
Thing with Zoners is - they do whatever stronger wants, or entire Zoner families meet with death. Be it Liberty Navy, Corsairs or Gauls.
Zoners have no power. Their bases exist only because certain factions allow them to do so.
RE: Toward a new zoner group - Hannibal - 02-10-2016
(02-10-2016, 09:34 AM)Toris Wrote: Thing with Zoners is - they do whatever stronger wants, or entire Zoner families meet with death. Be it Liberty Navy, Corsairs or Gauls.or they just have to be a little more discreet about it ... hire someone to do what they can't make secret deals with other factions
Zoners have no power. Their bases exist only because certain factions allow them to do so.
Zoners don't just unload 50k of space Marines on random ships that brakes their nfz
RE: Toward a new zoner group - moebus - 02-10-2016
(02-10-2016, 08:10 AM)Sabru Wrote: The issue with that proposal is that it would risk opening pandora's box. If you shoot someone breaking the NFZ, and its a faction, there's a chance that things could go in a bad way for zoners.Yes that right, any change in the ID should be made very carefully after a debate.
(02-10-2016, 08:10 AM)Sabru Wrote: Also, in reference to your post mentioning a UN style body/group well that's another can of worms and also somewhat contrary to the standard conception of zonerdom. CoF is the closest possible analogue that is feasible with zoners.I think it depends how you roleplay it. Let's talk about it when the details will be on the table. So far, the idea is not to copy the CoF but to propose something different.
(02-10-2016, 02:27 AM)Exodite Asmodai Wrote: Just stay out of Core|'s way and you'll be fine.Actually I don't know what will be the relations with the Core. My feeling is that the faction won't be into conflicts like was the Omicroners but it's also true that the Core being hostile to the Order I don't expect our zoners will have a close and good relation with the Core. Nevertheless, this topic was not discussed on skype yet, so I don't know.
@n00bl3t good to see you around.
(02-10-2016, 09:34 AM)Toris Wrote: Zoners have no power. Their bases exist only because certain factions allow them to do so.I completely agree. I would also add that in vanilla, zoners were tolerated by factions because they help them to overcome their weaknesses. One problem in disco is that such weaknesses are often ignored.