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RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - E X O D I T E - 10-31-2017
I actually like this patch.
The sobs of Battlecruiser players are a sweet symphony to me.
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - Giorgio - 10-31-2017
(10-31-2017, 04:37 AM)Exodite Asmodai Wrote: I actually like this patch.
The sobs of Battlecruiser players are a sweet symphony to me.
It's baffling how people are mass-selling BCs without having tried them once in a groupfight.
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - Reddy - 10-31-2017
(10-31-2017, 05:13 AM)Giorgi Wrote:(10-31-2017, 04:37 AM)Exodite Asmodai Wrote: I actually like this patch.
The sobs of Battlecruiser players are a sweet symphony to me.
It's baffling how people are mass-selling BCs without having tried them once in a groupfight.
you can get them cheap now
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - Tabris - 10-31-2017
Indeed, if there is something REALLY wrong with them and documented (without the standard Q_Qing that comes with every update) than the Balance Devs can take a look at it. As it is now it's just kinda sad.
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - Freeroamer - 10-31-2017
I'd honestly suggest that any serious "Balance" changes be dealt with through a community poll rather than a small team deciding as often times their decisions can be not entirely representative of what would be suitable for the community.
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - Felipe - 10-31-2017
Whelp, lets go by parts, now that initial shockwave passed, we need deal w radiation of this strike
The concept of BC having their own equipment surely is good for balancing, awsome indeed, it allows to balance bc's apart of other ships. Is indeed a great accomplishment.
BUT:
1- If the intent was turning BC's into cruiser hunters, it failed miserably. No, dont came here tell me how you killed an unkonw Scylla with you never before used LABC. Ive done a pratical test, with Tirpiz against same ship/pilot i used to pew before rework (Mutchell in his Vidar) he changed (as far i know) nothing on his load, both ships are cau8.
He just stay 2k from me, i cant effectively fire back, Missiles lost to cd/cm (ye, Hv cruiser could go to 2.5k, make me eat 7/10 of his LM's and turn here and there to cd incoming missiles, rest he used cm's).
"bait him in range" not possible vs a seasoned pilot. Two great defenders of the rework (bs pilots, sure) know this very well, being in the "baiting" side vs me, if the guy just sat there on limit of range, theres nothing you can do about, and u keep eating the LM's.
Then you will say "Ha, same as we suffered in BS x BC before" Kinda, yes, about this, i have 2 things to say: BS had sheer shield strenght and range at his advantadge. To really kill a BS, BC needed stay between 2.5-3k from bs, at that range bs could try hit it w prims, and yes, BC has trusther, but still slower than the cruiser, so cruiser can keep its range. The BC had NO EFFECTIVE WEAPON TO HURT BS OUT OF BS RANGE. thets the major difference i can tell. The cruisers atm sat beyond BC range (xcept for mortar) and hammer BC, and bc can do absolutely nothing about.
"Have you tried hit a bc at 3k w prims?" sure, that was the weapon i used in BC remind? Thats brings the question: BS players say no skill needed (or even mind some said) to fly a bc, if the "GODS OF CAP PVP" BS pilots could not hit a BC at 3k w prims, how we poor stupid, dumb, unskilled BC pilots(as they call us) are supposed to hit cruisers at same range w mortars (only weapon w 3k range)???
2- Some ppl say "its actually easier to kill bs's w bc now, just done in conn" against who? Not one of the Whores willign to win, i bet all my BC's! "it actually possible, just take more time" again, the excuse used at first for this was because BS x BC taken too much time (15-20 mins hamering damm BS if BC dont make mistake, in wich case he would lose half hull in seconds) and finally, against who?
All this been said, for now im waiting to see the tweaking ive been told will happen in near future.
But if BC dont have at least one class of gun (primaries would need be quicker than 900 to be effective at 2.5k vs cruisers) effective that at least is equal to cruisers LM range BC's are effectively ruined. Hardly a BS pilot can miss a BC big as they are now at 2.5k w prims.
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - sindroms - 10-31-2017
You know, I was going to write here during the day where things were on fire, but I held off knowing that my frustration would make it seem a bit salty. However, since that feeling hasn't lessened, here it goes.
This comes from an admin's standpoint, not just a player.
You, my beloved members of the community, only have to sip a cocktail and wait for the launcher to download your update. There is literally nothing else we are asking you to do in this case. When something happens wrong, we are there fixing things - admins, devs, everyone involved. And even though the realsonable thing to expect and ask from the playerbase is to be kind enough and bother opening a bug report thread to post their findings, during this time, when the whole room was on fire, when most of the bugs are being taken care of and we are pushing the third bugfix patch in the last hour, this thread pops up.
''Oh we should just revert it lol''
You know what? After 8+ people have spent most of their saturday staring at notepad++ for the last few hours, trying to fix mistakes at a breakneck speed, the last thing that we need to see is this.
Be glad that the update, given how many changes were introduced at a time, did not set the thing on fire. I think most people here do not understand how unstable Freelancer is to mod, espectially for a multiplayer enviroment. That we have a almost fully new devteam to work and find out from their own mistakes what NOT to do the next time around. The whole process is held together by spit, prit stick and superglue. Nobody is asking you to involve yourselves in the mess that comes after a content patch, but if you can't help directly, at least stop trying to act as if you are helping by making threads like these.
YES, It would have been easier to just scrap the whole patch and not bother with with this. YES, it would have been easier to not provide new content at all. Or care.
However nobody is asking your damn opinion on what could have been ''easier'' and you better be damn glad that that is the case.
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - Epo - 10-31-2017
I actually like the patch. Thank you for your effort and lets see how it plays out. About various moods within the community, it's Disco, you can't make everyone pleased. Everyone will complain about something, that's how stuff works around.
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - Datamind - 10-31-2017
(10-31-2017, 08:44 AM)sindroms Wrote: Admin salt
Spazzy I appreciate the effort you and the others have point in to fix the problems that have appeared. I also completely understand how infuriating this thread would've been to see but bud remember the sandwich rule, step back take a breather and chill. I know its easier said then done and how annoying it is when people take your work for granted but still have a drink and relax.
RE: This new Patch should be reverted? - Reddy - 10-31-2017
i have immense respect for devs, mods and admins who keep this old game running and try to keep things entertaining for the rest of us at the cost of themselves. it is a shame that a new idea thought up to increase activity and interest in this old game isn't received with excitement but with complaining and whining. i for one like this rework and changes and hope to see more new content in future. thank you sincerely