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RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - Dhomie42 - 09-04-2020
(09-03-2020, 11:40 PM)sueme Wrote: Too bad your... other buddy... was 1 minute too late after your death, it could have been a fairer fight 2 vs 2 . We like those better too, but RP demands we go after Xenos enemies no matter the situation. Unlike the two LN there at the scene, who refused to attack you and one of them even surprisingly stated so in system wide chat. But, at that time he did demand threateningly that our FTP| player drop the 2 or 3 nomad mines or CM's or whatever he had from some mission (so i guess he did his RP duty).
If you don't like it when people (especially Junkers apparently), have the gall to object to being attacked by you... perhaps you should consider choosing a different profession. Because that's not changing, "official" or not.
In fact, I would be so bold as to say, a faction like FTP| who actively and often defend themselves from Xeno raider attacks deserve officialdom even more for it.
Your definition of a fair fight is an interesting one. 1 SHF and 1 GB on 1 VHF, even if the bomber showed up earlier that wouldn't have made it fair. Also, last time I checked, this is not the [LN] Feedback Thread, nor the 46th| one.
I have no issues with Junkers and Xenos shooting each other, what I have issues with is when someone decides to go guns blazing without a single line of RP. If you honestly think that noRP engaging others is an example of what an official faction should follow, oh boy, do I have news for you then.
(09-04-2020, 12:08 AM)myetal Wrote: Viper is one to talk i've met that xeno 4 times total and each and every time i've met him his RP for attacking consists of one/two words, "die" or "engaging" or his most latest one was "lets begin".
[10.08.2020 16:06:08] XA-Viper.: Lets begin!
[10.08.2020 16:06:39] 2020-08-10 16:06:41 SMT Traffic control alert: FTP|Oprixy| has requested to dock
Thats it, then he was attempting to engage me, i CMed his C/Ds and managed to dock. Now correct me if im wrong but this is also a breach of server rules.
Also liberty police actively deciding not to attack a terrorist i see the corruption within house goverments is growing dailiy.
Last time I checked, this is not the XA- nor the LPI- Feedback threads (provided by "liberty police" you mean the official faction.) If you had issues with XA- before, you are more than welcome to visit their thread.
(09-04-2020, 12:25 AM)sueme Wrote: Not sure how the second battle between VA-Viper and the FTP| player was "witnessed".... which happened in Hamburg not Hudson... while still being in Hudson as the EDITED chat log shows (... with my warnings left out).
As for the rules, is every member of a battle between 2 tagged factions required to state their intentions, separately, before hand? Of course not, that would be silly.
3.6 - Attacking without Roleplay. Players must be given reasonable time to react to hostilities.
Dropping 2 lines of engagement RP would have been enough, even if it was minimal, but it's still better than nothing.
Your second battle started in Hudson, just before the Navy players decided to head back to Cold Bay, and my chat logs are not edited, except for leaving out non-related logs like group chat and PMs. So I'd really appreciate if you could like not accuse people wrongly, thank you very much. And there were no warnings whatsoever, period. Ironic that you accuse me of editing the chat logs when you clearly didn't bother to even /1 /2.
Just to get that straight, I'll include an expanded chat log (without non-related logs like group chat) below along with a screen of the GB's cargo infront of the Hamburg Gate: [-X-]
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Chat logs:RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - mm33dd - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 12:08 AM)myetal Wrote: Viper is one to talk i've met that xeno 4 times total and each and every time i've met him his RP for attacking consists of one/two words, "die" or "engaging" or his most latest one was "lets begin".
[10.08.2020 16:06:08] XA-Viper.: Lets begin!
[10.08.2020 16:06:39] 2020-08-10 16:06:41 SMT Traffic control alert: FTP|Oprixy| has requested to dock
Thats it, then he was attempting to engage me, i CMed his C/Ds and managed to dock. Now correct me if im wrong but this is also a breach of server rules.
Also liberty police actively deciding not to attack a terrorist i see the corruption within house goverments is growing dailiy.
I remember that day, it was on Bering, I was chasing FTP|Oprixy|, I said "let's begin!" to him and waited for a response (and I didn't engage just pursuit) but the player went mute and docked at the Unioner base, then the Ku-Explorer gb appeared, undocking from the Unioner base. I finished fighting in Hudson against sueme in his Sense bomber.
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[10.08.2020 16:00:52] 2020-08-10 16:00:49 SMT Traffic control alert: XA-Viper. has requested to dock
[10.08.2020 16:06:13] XA-Viper.: Lets begin!
[10.08.2020 16:06:44] 2020-08-10 16:06:41 SMT Traffic control alert: FTP|Oprixy| has requested to dock
[10.08.2020 16:13:53] 2020-08-10 16:13:50 SMT Traffic control alert: XA-Viper. has requested to dock
[10.08.2020 16:14:02] Auto-Buy(Cruise Disruptors): Bought 6 unit(s), cost: 12.000$
[10.08.2020 16:30:47] FTP|sueme.|: xeno
[10.08.2020 16:30:55] XA-Viper.: Junkie boy
[10.08.2020 16:31:02] XA-Viper.: Hugin a base?
[10.08.2020 16:39:07] Rules Tip: If you die to a player/players, you must not only leave and not re-enter the system you died in for one hour, but you must also not attack the players you died to for one hour on ANY of your characters.
[10.08.2020 16:39:57] Ping: 278ms (Max: 1000ms) Fluct: 0ms Loss: 0% (Max: 70%) Lag: 6% (Max: 100%)
[10.08.2020 16:45:12] FTP|sueme-|: xeno
[10.08.2020 16:45:18] XA-Viper.: Junker scum in sight
[10.08.2020 16:45:22] XA-Viper.: Im going to erase you!
[10.08.2020 16:47:31] A $50.000 credit bounty has been added to your reward pool.
[10.08.2020 16:51:26] Death: FTP|sueme-| was put out of action by XA-Viper. (Gun).Funny thing, earlier that day a Navy GB did the same, I talked to him, player went mute, and started shooting at me without sayin a single word.
As for my part I always try to drop some lines (not that I want to make a friendly chat or telling you the whole story behind why xenos and junker are enemies, It's a no-brainer thing). But look, the whole FTP RP was to sayin "xeno" twice. And the only person I killed in Hamburg was Alan.Walcott after a long pursuit, happened just outside the Bering JH.
Hope you can resolve this in a friendly manner, and as some people stated below work on that /1 /2 phrases.
Good luck!
RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - Oprixy - 09-04-2020
Ahh i see we have a liar in the building. after you stated "lets begin" you immendently starting firing missles at me, not sure what they were as I CMed them . At the point i went to dock you hit me with a missle and I presumed I was PvP dead due to docking while being in an engagment = PvP death.
I was not the gunboat, i hate big ships and don't use them, biggest ships i have are transports and the biggest fighters i own are mining ships, arrestra's, which I don't use for combat. but this is in the past and i don't much care for the past.
Now as someone has finally decided to post the logs we can sort this out as we have a name to who shot without RP, which was missing from the start of this.
RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - sueme - 09-04-2020
Viper its very obvious we do fight often. And you know that if you come after us, we fight you (not many others do, apparently). Not all are one sided either. Not sure what it is you want after close to 2 dozen fights against FTP| ... an engraved invitation? We are essentially in an unending state of war, not that we ever did anything to you. We understand its your RP... we've never actually complained about it, it only comes up because XA- bring it up.
And I can promise you I don't have any Navy chars and never did... so maybe some others' out there don't like being prey, just as FTP| doesn't. It should not be so surprising, you know. Even Junkers have the right to defend themselves. Whether some others on this server think they should or not.
It looked to me at the time that FTP|-FL-Skyhawk| died, that he was out of the system as I didn't see him in the area of the Hamburg gate there and he showed as Hamburg on the player list. But I suppose it could be he had docked there earlier and hadn't come out yet. But, since I didn't see him fighting around that gate to Hamburg where the rest of us where, not sure how anyone else there with me could have "witnessed" it either.
And as for the two lines of text there in the more complete record, thanks for posting it. I was FTP|Skyraven| BTW. Of course we don't know which chars these other people commenting here in the thread were.
[03.09.2020 20:32:29] FTP|Skyraven|: XENO
and
[03.09.2020 20:32:44] FTP|Skyraven|: leave or die
And I hadn't really noticed it then, but it is funny how the LN is threatening to call the Rheinland cops in there to Hudson (like they actually report to the big boss in Rheinland), over some nomad missions drop ammo's... while ignoring a Xeno right there, apparently for several minutes before i arrived.
The line I am referring to was :
[03.09.2020 20:33:08] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Ridgenose, we won't intervene.
That is XA-Ridgenose, being the XA- that got killed for trying to take on more than he should have, and who then wrongly complained about not being warned.
RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - mm33dd - 09-04-2020
Dude, Im no acusing anybody of being the LN gb, I just mentioned it. Also, A Cruise disruptor is not considered to be an engagement, it's just for stoping the target, then as always I drop some lines.
Just get your RP updated, that's all I ask. And don't call me a liar, I just replied to you so you can actually see and improve yourself, we're all want to be better players and help each other to get better.
Enjoy the game!
RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - AuruemSaber - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 02:01 AM)sueme Wrote: And I can promise you I don't have any Navy chars and never did... so maybe some others' out there don't like being prey, just as FTP| doesn't. It should not be so surprising, you know. Even Junkers have the right to defend themselves. Whether some others on this server think they should or not.
It looked to me at the time that FTP|-FL-Skyhawk| died, that he was out of the system as I didn't see him in the area of the Hamburg gate there and he showed as Hamburg on the player list. But I suppose it could be he had docked there earlier and hadn't come out yet. But, since I didn't see him fighting around that gate to Hamburg where the rest of us where, not sure how anyone else there with me could have "witnessed" it either.
And as for the two lines of text there in the more complete record, thanks for posting it. I was FTP|Skyraven| BTW. Of course we don't know which chars these other people commenting here in the thread were.
[03.09.2020 20:32:29] FTP|Skyraven|: XENO
and
[03.09.2020 20:32:44] FTP|Skyraven|: leave or die
And I hadn't really noticed it then, but it is funny how the LN is threatening to call the Rheinland cops in there to Hudson (like they actually report to the big boss in Rheinland), over some nomad missions drop ammo's... while ignoring a Xeno right there, apparently for several minutes before i arrived.
The line I am referring to was :
[03.09.2020 20:33:08] [LN]-ESRD|Phoenix: Ridgenose, we won't intervene.
That is XA-Ridgenose, being the XA- that got killed for trying to take on more than he should have, and who then wrongly complained about not being warned.
my point was directed more towards the blatant disregard for rules shown by your friend in the gb FTP|-FL-Skyhawk| and the fact this complete and utter disregard for the rules was coming from a faction actively applying for ofl.
RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - Tycho - 09-04-2020
good day everybody,
i always think it's a shame that when it comes to topics like this, the mood always boils up.
Yes, it's a shame when you get killed. Yes, it's a shame if there was no real RP beforehand. And yes, the FTP has to position itself a little better internally for the future.
And that's exactly what we do. We are working on ourselves. Further rules and clear sanctions were resolved to counteract these developments.
However, I have to say that one thing remains completely unresolved for me. Are two words or 1 sentence really RP? Even if you are natural enemies.
I would like an admin to answer this question. After this answer I will decide how I, as CEO, will proceed with my members and the FTP!
Until then, I just ask for a friendlier, quieter atmosphere. It's just a game after all and nothing is really lost!
RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - Saronsen - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 06:38 AM)Renow Wrote: However, I have to say that one thing remains completely unresolved for me. Are two words or 1 sentence really RP? Even if you are natural enemies.
I'm not an Admin/GM but after having been here for 13 years, I can sure tell ya
Any roleplay is better than no roleplay. Two lines is minimal, and its not really putting forth an effort, but you must roleplay before shooting, unless the enemy has rolled in and begun shooting you already. If they haven't shot you, and aren't joining in an active fight where you're being shot at, you must roleplay, be it in the form of two lines saying how youre going to gun them down and visit their mother tonight, or just basic engagement lines. It has to be something, mortal enemies, nomads, or otherwise.
RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - SnakThree - 09-04-2020
If you think someone broke rules, report it via appropriate method. Assuming someone broke rules and braking them in return is not allowed.
RE: FTP Free Trade People Feedback - Mick - 09-04-2020
(09-04-2020, 07:54 AM)SnakThree Wrote: If you think someone broke rules, report it via appropriate method. Assuming someone broke rules and braking them in return is not allowed.
I totally agree! We are definitely stepping up our game in regards to this feedback! If one of our crew breaks the rules please report it, once reported it can be dealt with appropriately! We can't chase accusations.