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Need a quick clarification - Mere_Mortal - 08-22-2009
No lawful bases sell this vessel. It is sold only to Outcasts and Bundschuh so there should be no other faction using it, except their allies. Enemies of these factions cannot use this vessel as per the chart, whilst some allies of those enemies may need appropriate forum background (Zoners being a prime example).
Additionally, any Freelancers or Mercenaries using this vessel should not mount equipment that is from a conflicting faction, such as Corsairs, or have an IFF of such a faction or work for them. Doing so could lead to undesirable consequences in-game.
Need a quick clarification - darthbeck - 08-22-2009
Quote: Price: 6408130 - Series ZX "Falcata" Border Worlds Bomber
The Falcata is the latest development of the Outcasts that utilizes the pinnacle of modern ship engineering technologies. Efficient power array combined with enough agility to dodge capital ship fire - and enough hull strength to withstand occasional hits - make this bomber one of the most deadly ships of its class available on the market today.
infocard says it is border worlds.
edit: ahh, sorry for posting this when someone else did. serves me right for not reading the entire topic.
Need a quick clarification - MarvinCZ - 08-22-2009
' Wrote:It is sold only to Outcasts, Hackers and Hessians so there should be no other faction using it, except their allies and anybody else that would be permitted to enter one of their bases. Enemies of these factions or those that are friendly to these enemies, such as Zoners, should not ever be seen with this vessel (in-RP, but not per the rules).Why do you think? It's sold on Outcast and Bundschuh bases, because the Bundschuh one was deemed enough to reflect the BW status. Their enemies shouldn't use it, yes ... Interesting how I can't find the BW line in that chart though.
Need a quick clarification - Benjamin - 08-22-2009
It is 100% borderworlds. It's sold on a Bundschuh base, and Bundschuh shoot Outcasts.
Freelancers use stilettos, so I can see freelancers using it. Plus you start off white with the bundschuh too.
Need a quick clarification - Mere_Mortal - 08-22-2009
Bundschuh should not shoot Outcasts just because of what they are. Other reasons might come into it, such as piracy or trespassing, but the fact that they're Outcast should have no bearing. Why? Because of the empathic rating with Rogues, Mollies and Hessians.
Need a quick clarification - tansytansey - 08-22-2009
' Wrote:The Falcata is made by the Outcasts (as is the rest of the BW line for that matter, with some Zoner input I believe)And where are you getting this information from? There's nothing to suggest the Border World ships were developed by Outcasts. In Vanilla, the Dagger was sold exclusively on Buffalo, the Stiletto was sold exclusively by the Bundschuh, and the Sabre was sold by both the Outcasts and the Red Hessians. The Dromedary was sold by Lane Hackers. One out of four ships and they don't even sell it exclusively.
The Falcata is a Border World bomber, but unlike it's predecessors it is an Outcast ship. It was build and developed by the Outcasts, and has a very Outcast stigma to it. Don't expect the same leniancy people give Freelancers in Sabres if you're caught flying a Falcata.
All those people saying "read the infocard" should practice what they preach.
Quote:Series ZX "Falcata" Border Worlds Bomber
The Falcata is the latest development of the Outcasts that utilizes the pinnacle of modern ship engineering technologies. Efficient power array combined with enough agility to dodge capital ship fire - and enough hull strength to withstand occasional hits - make this bomber one of the most deadly ships of its class available on the market today.
Need a quick clarification - Mere_Mortal - 08-22-2009
We're on the wrong track here. Let's see if I can put this into the right perspective...
The Falcata is a vessel that is manufactured by Outcasts and would normally be found in the Border Worlds. Of course, the real issue here is defining which faction it belongs to in order to establish who may or not employ it.
Outcast
For the purpose of technology use, it cannot solely be Outcast because it is also sold by the Bundschuh.
Border World
So far as the technology chart is concerned, Border World is not a valid classification thus we must assume Civilian.
Civilian
No, because it is not sold on any lawful bases.
In conclusion, we can only describe this as an unlawful craft which is to say that pilots of a lawful affiliation, including Bounty Hunters, must not use it.I would personally use the chart to decide all this. If your faction is green to the owner of the base in question, or your faction sells it, you are safe to use this vessel. In fact, this is the conclusion I've come to by using the chart...
The following factions are, according to the chart, permitted to use the Falcata...
- Bundschuh
- Golden C.
- Hacker
- Hessian
- Mercenary
- Molly
- Outcast
- Phantom
- Pirate
- Rogue
- Slaver
- Blood Dragon
- Coalition
- Freelancer
- Junker
- LWB
- Unioneer
- Zoner
Need a quick clarification - MarvinCZ - 08-22-2009
' Wrote:And where are you getting this information from? There's nothing to suggest the Border World ships were developed by Outcasts. In Vanilla, the Dagger was sold exclusively on Buffalo, the Stiletto was sold exclusively by the Bundschuh, and the Sabre was sold by both the Outcasts and the Red Hessians. The Dromedary was sold by Lane Hackers. One out of four ships and they don't even sell it exclusively.What do vanilla selling points have to do with anything? They weren't set up for RP value, they were set up in a way that reflects the progress of a player. Therefore at the selling location of the Sabre the lower level ships were obsolete and Sabre was too advanced to be sold on Hacker or Bundschuh bases.
The Falcata is a Border World bomber, but unlike it's predecessors it is an Outcast ship. It was build and developed by the Outcasts, and has a very Outcast stigma to it. Don't expect the same leniancy people give Freelancers in Sabres if you're caught flying a Falcata.
All those people saying "read the infocard" should practice what they preach.
It's actually quite probable that ships from the BW line were designed by Outcasts, atleast the Sabre was.
Vanilla news about Sabre:
Quote:MALTA -- Engineers are revamping 100 ships per month over the next two years in an effort to make the Raiders even more deadly than they already are. Master engineer Ibrahim Casse has developed a new design that will be implemented on the fleet. Casse's 100+ years of experience as an engineer makes him the finest ship designer and builder in all of Sirius. His academy builds new prototypes every semester as he trains a new generation to follow in his footstep.
Falcata is no different than the rest of the BW line. The only difference is, that what is also right for the rest of the line, this one has in its infocard.
Need a quick clarification - tansytansey - 08-22-2009
' Wrote:What do vanilla selling points have to do with anything? They weren't set up for RP value, they were set up in a way that reflects the progress of a player. Therefore at the selling location of the Sabre the lower level ships were obsolete and Sabre was too advanced to be sold on Hacker or Bundschuh bases.Considering a lack of evidence as to the Sabre's origins, I think it means a lot. There's nothing else to point towards their ownership.
Quote:It's actually quite probable that ships from the BW line were designed by Outcasts, atleast the Sabre was.I'm sorry, what? That rumor doesn't even mention the Sabre at all. It just mentions some new ship. That could mean anything.
Vanilla news about Sabre.
Need a quick clarification - MarvinCZ - 08-22-2009
' Wrote:Considering a lack of evidence as to the Sabre's origins, I think it means a lot. There's nothing else to point towards their ownership.Well, Titan seemed less likely:P
I'm sorry, what? That rumor doesn't even mention the Sabre at all. It just mentions some new ship. That could mean anything.
Considering the range of ships Outcasts used in Vanilla, Sabre is the best match. I doubt they would report Stiletto as a new great development. Even if they did, it is definitely one of the BW ships.
The ship distribution can't be attributed to ship origin. No ship is in vanilla is sold in multiple regions with different difficulty levels. Outcast space has different level from all other BW shipline users. Therefore it just can't have the same ships in vanilla.