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QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 09-27-2009
Very well, this seems agreeable to myself at least, although I would make the suggestion that we deal with two issues at a time instead of one, ourselves selecting one, and yourselves the other, so that we can attempt to trade offers to reach a mutually beneficial settlement.
Is that acceptable?
-Sir Andrew
QCP to the COZ - Doc Holliday - 09-28-2009
I think that is fair although for the time, I have few requests. I agree to that format. I do believe we have one settled anyway, the issue of human organs. As I said, you won't get much of an argument on their transport as most prefer not to. I only get them as I need them for my practice and unless I'm in dire straits, I could get them directly from Cryer.
-John Holliday
QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 09-28-2009
That is fair enough.
In that case, I have drafted a suitable compromise on the issue of the Corsair settlements on Gran Canaria. You claim that this is purely civilian, something which I would be at odds with, so I have a potentially acceptable alternative to be offered.
Personally, I would prefer they be forcibly evicted, to prevent them from fuelling their genocidal war machine attempting to murder Bretonians in the Omegas, but apparently this is not possible.
However, you, the Zoners, could enforce their civilian status in Omega 49, by guarding any civilian Bretonian vessels in said system (much like Bretonians guard Zoner civilians in Bretonia) but would also ban Corsairs from using the Omega 49 to Dublin jumphole, via patrols and whatever firepower is deemed necessary.
This, of course, still gives the Corsairs something of an advantage here. They are able to supply their bases to attack Bretonians in Omega 3 and Cambridge from their populace on Gran Canaria, who have not joined the Zoner movement. Therefore, I would request that similar rights be granted to Bretonian citizens, in order to maintain a balance. As it is right now, Bretonia rents a refugee camp. The Corsairs have free reign of the planet, according to multiple reliable sources on Gran Canaria.
Therefore, I would suggest that Bretonians be given similar rights. I would imagine you would not want Bretonians shooting Corsairs in the system, nor using jumpholes to get further into the Omegas, much as I don't want Corsairs shooting Bretonians or using jumpholes to enter Bretonia via Omega 49.
So, my proposal regarding No Fire Zones being respected in Omega 49 involves the following:
1) Banning Corsairs from using the Dublin jumphole, which you will strictly enforce with the Juggernaut fleet that was assembled to deal with ourselves.
2) Giving Bretonians the same rights as Corsairs on the planet, without compulsion to become Zoners (and therefore banning Bretonians from using jumpholes to get further into the Omegas in turn).
3) For every Corsair we find that gets through your net, we shall demand compensation as a show of good faith. Suitable compensation rates to be discussed.
In fact, you should offer this to the Bretonian Government to show good intent, and let them report any Corsairs entering Dublin via Omega 49, and pay the nation of Bretonia said compensation. After all, I am not in this for the money, nor am I planning on sitting at the borders on the late shift. No need to mention my involvement here, it will make you look generous, I am guessing.
4) The Zoners will actively guard Bretonian civilians in Omega 49, much like the Bretonian police and military guard Zoner civilians in Bretonia.
Well, I believe that this covers it nicely, and should be mutually acceptable. Soon, we should discuss the slave trade which your Council has been involved in, as it must stop, in the name of all that is good.
Yours,
Sir Andrew
QCP to the COZ - Doc Holliday - 09-29-2009
//I apologize if my responses are delayed this week. I have 4 major aircraft inspections this week alone with at least as many for next week. I'll try to keep up.
*sits in thought as he reads each demand*
Quote:1) Banning Corsairs from using the Dublin jumphole, which you will strictly enforce with the Juggernaut fleet that was assembled to deal with ourselves.Most of the Corsairs that come into Omega 49 leave the same way in which they came, into Omega 47. I've noticed the Mollys have been coming in from Dublin, which is fine, as they don't bother us. It is for that reason that I don't think the Corsairs use that route, coupled with the fact that they seem to enter Dublin via the Leeds and New London Jumpholes on the opposite side of the quadrant, two Jump holes buried within the asteroids. I have seen them come through that way myself, having jumped from Cambridge to Leeds to Dublin.
Much of the fleet of which you speak has moved off to do other things while we talk. When I asked them to stand down, they did by venturing elsewhere. I don't own a combat worthy ship myself. Mrs. Holliday owns a Conference but she has been on a mission in Rheinland for the past couple of weeks. When she will return I don't know.
Quote:2) Giving Bretonians the same rights as Corsairs on the planet, without compulsion to become Zoners (and therefore banning Bretonians from using jumpholes to get further into the Omegas in turn).I believe this came up before. If the refugees of Port Jackson want to explore a bit, that is fine. As we Zoners are subject to Bretonian law in Bretonian lands, they would be subject to Zoner law off of the settlement. I don't think we'll have a problem here.
If you want to ban them from going further into the Omegas, that will be Bretonia's call, not mine. I would encourage against it as you will find Corsairs and Red Hessians beyond our borders who as you well know, have been fighting each other. I will advise anyone who dare venture out there not to!
Quote:3) For every Corsair we find that gets through your net, we shall demand compensation as a show of good faith. Suitable compensation rates to be discussed.
In fact, you should offer this to the Bretonian Government to show good intent, and let them report any Corsairs entering Dublin via Omega 49, and pay the nation of Bretonia said compensation. After all, I am not in this for the money, nor am I planning on sitting at the borders on the late shift. No need to mention my involvement here, it will make you look generous, I am guessing.
With due respect, this should be something for the Crown to discuss with us. You may or may not know but we are on the verge of signing a treaty with Bretonia which should do much to grant some much needed flexibility in apprehending many of those who have committed violent acts against your people. Relaxing some laws was our way of showing some of that good faith of which you speak.
Compensation? As most of the Corsairs that enter Bretonian space do so from Jumpholes in Cambridge and then travel further into Bretonia, they are for the most part out of our influence. The ones in Omega 49 are mostly independent pirates who we have trouble with ourselves.
Quote:4) The Zoners will actively guard Bretonian civilians in Omega 49, much like the Bretonian police and military guard Zoner civilians in Bretonia.This will take some figuring out. Currently, the only Bretonian ships in Omega 49 are those from Bowex. A vote in Council some time back to make the system a tax free system was narrowly defeated. It was a measure that would have allowed us to do such acts. As it stands, outside the 5k zone, even we are fair game. So we will have some figuring to do on this issue. I would also like to point out that the IMG has reported Mollies pirating their mining ships in the niobium fields so it's not just Corsairs. As with Corsair pirates, we don't harass the Mollies either.
I will make one statement regarding the slave trade accusation. The Council's official stance is that Zoner ships are NOT to be transporting slaves. I agree with you on this matter and don't condone this act. While we don't transport them, we also don't interfere with slave traders unless the Zoner is from the ZAS, who have left the Council. The only exception is if the slaves were rescued from a destroyed slave trader in which case they are to be returned to the nearest safe haven.
I know of two Zoner ships that have been found with slaves, one of which was by me. They have been told that if someone takes exception to it, the Council will not support them should they be targeted and/or destroyed. In short, they are fair game. I hope that clarifies things.
Dr. John Holliday
QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 09-29-2009
Surely if the majority of Corsairs that enter Bretonia enter via Cambridge, you would not be opposed to paying compensation to Bretonia for those Corsairs which enter via Omega 49? If this doesn't happen, as you claim, why not make such an offer? Why not ban Corsairs from using a jump hole which they apparently don't use anyway?
What have you got to lose here, sir?
As to this being for something for the Crown to discuss, I'm afraid that is irrelevant, they can discuss what they want, I can discuss what I want, unfortunately. They have nothing to do with QCP involvement in your space, but I do. And I want the Zoners to make a gesture of goodwill to a nation which I dearly love, and I would like it to be phrased in such a manner that they would be inclined to accept it.
Those that you have trouble with anyway, who enter Dublin via Omega 49, you shouldn't have any problem attempting to destroy them in order to maintain good relations with foreign powers, since you would be shooting them anyway, correct?
I thank you for the very minor concessions made on slavery, but would ask for a further tightening of said policy. Surely you should make every effort to prevent this going on, instead of saying that you don't condone it, but won't actively make an effort to stop it. I'm sure the slaves, victims every one, would not appreciate such inaction from apparently capable people in the face of such an evil. I would suggest that all confirmed slavers be ejected from the Council of Zoners, and slavers banned from your bases. After all, it is in no way neutral towards the victims of slavery if you allow their captors succour and safe harbour.
Yours,
Sir Andrew
QCP to the COZ - Doc Holliday - 09-30-2009
Encryption: Extremely High
I said MOST Corsairs enter Bretonia via Cambridge. If one has entered via the Omega 49/Dublin JH, it hasn't been documented. I feel that we are being singled out for a much larger problem. If the Corsairs want to get into Bretonia, they will get there however they want. Zoners get singled out but you forget one place that right in your own back yard that harbors them and does a lot of business with them, Trafalgar Base in New London.
I really get the impression that we are being forced to pick sides. If we take any hostile action versus the Corsairs, we stand to lose a great deal as our border with them is very big. We potentially could lose 5 Freeports and 2 Shipyards. That's a very heavy price to pay. At best, we enjoy an uneasy truce with them. When we share so many borders with so many, we have to give a little something to all. For us, it's survival.
As I said before, we gave concessions to the Bretonian Crown in recent negotiations. They are happy with the arrangement. I know you love your home and I respect that. If they are happy with our recent efforts, why can't you respect that and give it a chance to work? Agreements are always amendable so I ask that we give it a chance to work as we all think it will.
As for you and your men, I believe I said before, if you choose to hunt Corsairs in Omega 49, no one will bother you so long as that is what you are there for.
Until a more formal discussion within the Council can be held in regards to slaves, those who are caught with them are fair game for someone who takes offense. The Council will not protect them.
Yours,
-Doc
QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 09-30-2009
' Wrote:Encryption: Extremely High
I said MOST Corsairs enter Bretonia via Cambridge. If one has entered via the Omega 49/Dublin JH, it hasn't been documented. I feel that we are being singled out for a much larger problem. If the Corsairs want to get into Bretonia, they will get there however they want. Zoners get singled out but you forget one place that right in your own back yard that harbors them and does a lot of business with them, Trafalgar Base in New London.
I really get the impression that we are being forced to pick sides. If we take any hostile action versus the Corsairs, we stand to lose a great deal as our border with them is very big. We potentially could lose 5 Freeports and 2 Shipyards. That's a very heavy price to pay. At best, we enjoy an uneasy truce with them. When we share so many borders with so many, we have to give a little something to all. For us, it's survival.
As I said before, we gave concessions to the Bretonian Crown in recent negotiations. They are happy with the arrangement. I know you love your home and I respect that. If they are happy with our recent efforts, why can't you respect that and give it a chance to work? Agreements are always amendable so I ask that we give it a chance to work as we all think it will.
As for you and your men, I believe I said before, if you choose to hunt Corsairs in Omega 49, no one will bother you so long as that is what you are there for.
Until a more formal discussion within the Council can be held in regards to slaves, those who are caught with them are fair game for someone who takes offense. The Council will not protect them.
Yours,
-Doc
Nobody will bother us if we hunt Corsairs in Omega 49?
I'm sorry, but that is what caused this whole mess in the first place... a TAZ battleship firing on my men, then being sent packing, after chasing down a Corsair bomber in orbit of Gran Canaria.
Now, you gave concessions to Bretonia in that you would ban known pirates from landing on Freeports...
Surely you can do the same here and ban people from using a jumphole which they don't use anyway? Surely that won't offend the Corsairs who don't use it anyway, as you claimed?
I am of the opinion that they are conducting major military operations from Planet Gran Canaria, which you deny. You may be correct, and I may be wrong, I'm willing to concede that. However, if I do, I would like you to prove this by making a token offer of banning use of said jumphole, shooting those that would use it.
Another, less desirable option would be to deny docking rights for any Corsair that uses said jumphole (in either direction), effectively treating them as a Freeport violator, allowing the Armed Forces to deal with them in Omega 49. This would mean that you would not have to enforce it yourselves. I'd prefer you did, but I can see this being more palatable to your Council.
And yes, I love my country, but they went and exiled me and shot at some of my pilots, so I've gone and taken offence. I don't quite agree with some of their foreign policy. In fact, the Foreign Minister is an utter bastard, in my opinion, almost as bad as the Home Secretary. Therefore, I've decided to do their job for them.
The fact that Corsairs dock on Trafalgar has not gone amiss, but I have personally visited this base and seen some positive developments. The Junkers for one thing, assist Bretonia against Kusari. More importantly however, they shoot a lot of troublemaking Corsairs, unlike yourselves, and even go as far as offering Freelancers, and even some of my pilots, money to shoot them. If you were to dock on Trafalgar you would find this to be true.
Thanks again.
Yours,
Sir Andrew
QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 09-30-2009
Addressed to: Zoner Council
Unfortunately, it appears Doctor Holliday is on holiday. It suits, I guess.
Personally, I believe that the Zoners have walked out on talks too often, too often attempting to stall whilst I have my men stand down from their posts in good faith that said talks would continue at a reasonable pace.
I have made attempts at extreme compromise regarding the Corsair presence in Omega 49, but I am confronted with what appears to be stalling for time so that they do not have to do the same in turn.
Therefore, unless a suitable replacement speaker is chosen for the Zoners within 24 hours, such as the well-spoken Mister Yev Lightwing, with whom I have had an unfortunately violent history, I shall be cancelling my order to my men to stand down from combat duty. They have been, admittedly, getting itchy trigger fingers, my strict discipline being all that is keeping them in line and protecting the Zoners from assault and affray in the name of the Queen.
My most sincere apologies that it has been forced to come to this. I believe that 24 hours is more than enough time, as I am getting most impatient with these stalling actions for an issue which must be resolved immediately.
Yours,
Sir Andrew Stuart
QCP to the COZ - Quorg - 10-01-2009
' Wrote:my order to my men to stand down from combat duty. ... keeping them in line and protecting the Zoners from assault and affray in the name of the Queen.
Comm ID: RFS Freedom
As a sitting member of the Council, I have the following to transmit:
Liar, Liar!
Pants on Fire!
QCP to the COZ - Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever - 10-01-2009
Incoming Transmission
Hacked Datachannel 002
AI Codename HEARTLESS
Encrypted Channel Security ---- LOW.
Adress - Unknown Location, Frederation Juggernaut Midsummer Night
Speaker : Honorable Grand Admiral Marvin J. Orphelia
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This is very interesting indeed... The QCP's do not seem to give up after this...
Encrypted File
Why do you insist on lying? If you want open war, You will surely have it. I apologize for Doc Holiday. We have problems with the rather rash Hessians. Hypocrisy runs rampant in Bretonia, when it is on its knees...