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Are Clan Guys Rude? - McNeo - 06-13-2007
For vets, they see the same thing happening over and over again. They see this person do it, then a week later another person do exactly the same thing. The veterans get frustrated and appear to the new guy that they are mean and have a short temper. Happens to me too, i know. You see somthing happen over and over again which is against the rules or role-play and you get fed up and start shouting, because you have seen it happen so many times its not even remotely amusing. Imagine your a recruitment person for a company and everybody you get makes the same big mistake and doesnt listen when you try to correct them. I know I would get pretty p*ssed off if i was the recruiter.
For new people, they don't know better, and because its the internet, you can just say "no, i dont care what you think" and the person you are adressing can't do anything at all. They don't know what they are doing wrong or simply don't give a damn and want to keep on doing things the way they do them.
Its kind of a two way thing. Some new people are fine, they listen first time and correct their ways. Some dont, and this creates the stereotypical view that there are more people out there who refuse to RP than those who want to learn. Maybe for this reason that they are simply encountered more often for the same reason, or just because there are more of them. Who knows? The vets treat this badly, and therefore treat all new people with frustration and anger fresh in their mind.
I hate to say it, but there is a clear heirarchy of people here, with the trend of the older you are at the game, the more disillusioned about new people you become. I am not saying that vets are all like that, but there is a pattern, more like a loose correlation on a graph. The pattern is there, but there are many examples of vets who treat new people nicely. Others simply hold the view to take no crap from new people when they refuse initially to RP, read the rules, change ID etc. This means that as soon as the person in question says "no", the person asking the question gets very angry.
It does happen, but its not solely the fault of just "the vets" or the "noobs". There is a balance to be struck, and it doesn't really strike in the right place often.
I dont know if im considered a veteran but i know i'm getting angrier. Just in general, angrier at my parents, my school, the forums and some of the idiots on it (cough SirRed cough) and I know i hold grudges easily.
For instance, against SirRed. And the Children of Bretonia since the incident with Kress. No i'm not attacking you Kress, i'm just saying that I do, admittedly, have a grudge against the {C}. Still though, this can't be solely blamed on me (in my opinion, of course) as they, to my mind, act out of RP. I dont know how the others in the {C} are feeling, so I dont know the full story. Equally, they dont know what others (such as I) are feeling when they write their posts so they dont know the full story either.
The stereotype of noobs being ignorant and the stereotype of the vets being harsh and unforgiving polarises this community.
What I am trying to say, is that we all play our part in this constant unrest that is in this community, its not just the fault of one person or one group of people. We all contribute to the strife. Both sides think they are completely right in what they say, and the pride of the people percieved to be in both groups is the base of what causes all our problems in this community. Neither side is willing to back down, therefore we have a clash of interests. I can guarantee that neither side will back down in the future either.
I tried to say this as if i was in neither group, but that isn't true. I contribute to the anger aswell. I regret that and right now I cannot think of any words that would go with that to make it seem more genuine.
If the community got to know each other better, for instance socialising on Skype or some other chat programme which involves direct, verbal or otherwise conversation, then the "noobs" would know that the "vets" are actually very nice and funny people in real life, and the opposite would be true too.
So to solve the problem of pride dividing the community, we should unite on skype and get to know each other that way.
I do rate the chance of this happening at about 0.1% though. Seeing as the people are so polarised that they don't even want to socialise with each other in the first place. So, we have two causes and a solution:
Causes are: Stubborness and Pride (On both sides)
Solution: Socialise in a direct chat programme to get to know each other.
Admittedly, there will be those few that wont get on anyway, but that number will be significantly reduced if we at least try....
If any of you think thats a good enough idea and don't have my skype adress, then its "mcneo-" without the speech marks (needed 6 letter name:dry:).
EDIT: Generallisations about "vets" and "noobs" present to shorten the post (
I dont think you would want it any longer either...)
EDIT2: Posted twice and posts combined, bit confusing, sorry about that.
Are Clan Guys Rude? - BestFlyerHere - 06-13-2007
I think Mcneo hit the nail right on hte top of the head here. I'm probably not considered a vet here, as I've been here only 9-10 months, but I find myself yelling at people that are completely innocent, and have nothing to do with my anger, and I just need to say "Whoa, Flyer, take a chill pill."
To any of you that I've blown up at, sorry...
Are Clan Guys Rude? - Mastery - 06-13-2007
Quote:Ventrilo
Download from this link:
http://www.hytekgamer.com/downloads/ventri...indows-i386.exe
Install.
To setup:
Select Server to use:
At the top of the ventrilo window, there are three pulldown menus. User name, Server and Bindings.
To the right of the Server window, there is an arrow, ->. Click it.
Click the 'New' Button. Enter the name:
Quote:Ventrilo
Press Enter.
In the 'Hostname or IP section, enter:
Quote:real-hosts.ca
Click Okay.
Create a user account:
Click the -> arrow to the right of the User Name menu. Click the 'New' Button. Enter your user name.
If you want your name to sound different, enter the phoentics in the 'Phoentic' box. Test by pressing Play and alter as needed.
Click Okay.
Click the Connect button on the top right. If all goes well, a series of red and blue crosses with names will appear. Red crosses represent locked rooms. Blue represent open rooms.
Find a room with another user and ask them for setup assistance. You can use comments (the Comment button) to ask for help if you cannot yet talk.
Once in, use the setup menu to select your push-to-talk key, we do not want to hear your sneezes, as well as to adjust your outbound and inbound volumes. Outbound ajdusts how loud you are, inbound adjusts how loud others are.
That version allows an unlimited amount of people to join, It`s great for groups of people to talk to each other.
Trust me freelancer is much more fun when talking to friends.
Hopefully I`ll see some people on sometime.
Are Clan Guys Rude? - Dab - 06-13-2007
' Wrote:In my last posts in this thread I was generalizing about a few different people.
But I must you spacifically (Dab) were quite rude to me on the forum, out of character.
And with only what you "herd" from others to go on rather than knowing the truth.
I am not angry so dont flame back at me.
I am just saying that you might want to be a bit more tactful about what you say.
Seems to me your definitely angry.. Especially when saying I was rude to you.. Perhaps you missed the part where I said I AM if provoked.. Yeah. Screenshot of a faction that was at the time a Bretonia faction, flying a Red Hessien Cruiser and two Corsair Gunboats, at the same time, place, and group. This is when you were still lawful Bretonians. So no, I'm not basing ANY of this from what other people said. Bit of a misconception there.. I'm basing this of PERSONAL INVOLVEMENT with the {C} at quite a few times in-game, plus Screenshots, which is significantly more than someone's word.
I'd like you to tell me just how you would know if I were present in a system or battle with {C}, given that you don't know half my characters.
I'll aid you if your flamed a bit.. I'll help you fix whatever was screwed up.. I'll give advice on what not to do. What I won't do, is act politely to people who continually call me a liar in the face of evidence that supports my claims, and the continual comment about how I base everything off what other people say. There is such a thing as non-AW characters in my character list.. There is 2 words for you. Personal Witnessing. Such as seeing things with my own eyes in-game.
Now go listen to McNeo.
Are Clan Guys Rude? - McNeo - 06-13-2007
@ Mastery: Ill check that out but I am only at home at the weekends. Therefore, at my school (I go to boarding school), the internet is mostly blocked.
@ Dab and Dude42: Maybe you should both listen to me...Dab, this is the attitude I was talking about. If you get angry at who you percieve to be a "noob" then we will never get anywhere. Its as much you as it is him, and me if i get involved in this. So Dab, and Dude42 if you need to, read what I said again, and play some nice music (not angry music with a high tempo) to cool yourself down. Works alot better than many other things I've tried.... and don't make me do another long post.
Are Clan Guys Rude? - Spacewolf - 06-13-2007
Dude42 you carnt listen to dab (no offesnse dab) but its known he has a fairly large ego
Are Clan Guys Rude? - dude42 - 06-13-2007
Quote:For instance, against SirRed. And the Children of Bretonia since the incident with Kress. No i'm not attacking you Kress, i'm just saying that I do, admittedly, have a grudge against the {C}. Still though, this can't be solely blamed on me (in my opinion, of course) as they, to my mind, act out of RP. I dont know how the others in the {C} are feeling, so I dont know the full story. Equally, they dont know what others (such as I) are feeling when they write their posts so they dont know the full story either.
Here Here!
there are a few things you all need to know here.
(1) I know that Kress broke the rules. But why do you all assume that my whole clan acts like that.
He is no longer in this clan.
(2) I am a vet. I think some of you may not know this.
(3) That pic only proves my side.
(3a) We were Anti-BAF terrorists at the time.
(3b) The Hessian Cruiser and the Junked Pirate Cruiser are two diff ships and the pic
plainly shows that it is the Junked version.
(You do know there is 2 diff ships right, dab?)
So now you can all see how dab was defending to the death what was purly assumption and fabrication.
He assumed we were bretonian clan just because of the name.
Dont call me a lier Dab, and if you dont want to be a lier than watch what you say.
Are Clan Guys Rude? - Exile - 06-13-2007
Nooo... he assumed nothing as far as i can read.
he is merely pointing out that he thinks your acting out of RP and he has a grudge towards the {C}, nuthun' more ( right??)
Ex
Are Clan Guys Rude? - Othman - 06-13-2007
' Wrote:Here Here!
there are a few things you all need to know here.
(1) I know that Kress broke the rules. But why do you all assume that my whole clan acts like that.
He is no longer in this clan.
(2) I am a vet. I think some of you may not know this.
(3) That pic only proves my side.
(3a) We were Anti-BAF terrorists at the time.
(3b) The Hessian Cruiser and the Junked Pirate Cruiser are two diff ships and the pic
plainly shows that it is the Junked version.
(You do know there is 2 diff ships right, dab?)
So now you can all see how dab was defending to the death what was purly assumption and fabrication.
He assumed we were bretonian clan just because of the name.
Dont call me a lier Dab, and if you dont want to be a lier than watch what you say.
Dude, I sadly must point out that Children of Bretonia had its own flaws. The reason of the flames is not a mere Kress incident but much more than that and different things there are which caused that. This could be because of being a new clan (maybe you can be vet but your recruitments are not and they can have faults such as I had one) and I am not going to flame nobody. But please do not link my name with this clan again since I am totally out of this and I wont reply anything about this issue from now on.
And Mac Neo, how many times do I have to say that I admitted my fault and apologized publicly for it? This was because I was new to rp and people learn from their mistakes if given the chance. And I feel myself lucky here since you are understanding people.
Dab is totally right in what he says. And I suggest you better revise your guild policy and ship/equipment selection. This is a Rp server and if your not a freelancer but in a guild then you MUST restrict your stuff somewhere. You can not just be perfect.
Lastly, nobody can judge my reason of withdrawal from the guild but the only thing I can say is it was my own decision. I hope I am clear on the issue.
-Kress out-
Are Clan Guys Rude? - McNeo - 06-13-2007
(Kress posted before me...)
Why did I know you would pick that out...anyway, perfectly valid point of discussion:
1) Its more to do with powergaming than to do with the fact that he swiched chars to come after me. He came in a battleship, which is what you did in the Teutorix the day before. I rememeber that day before the incident where we, me and majkp were in Montoya[TBH] and Maniaco[TBH], both Titans. Our opposition was 3 or 4 fighters, and BlackOne in a Zoner Juggernaught (It changed to a Bstar the day after). Then you came in the Teutorix, adding another battleship to your side.
Its not acting out of RP, its just that we had a problem with ridiculous odds in the past (read: SA capship spamming, quite long ago) and I thought that it was pretty ridiculous for you to bring your biggest armament to a fight against two small fighters, when your opponents were already outnumbered 2 to 1, fighting against a superior number of fighters and a battleship. People have problems with powergaming, and that was the first time it had really happened to me.
Try to understand that when facing 2 battleships and 3 fighters in two fighters, you do feel that the battleship pilots could come in their fighters instead.
But thats my side. Whats yours?
2) I remember seeing you ages ago, but not very many of your posts. Which is why people still think/say/treat you like a noob.
3)I was under the impression that the hessian cruiser was unique in its looks, seeing as I have never seen a Rhineland pirate cruiser first hand, but I have seen the hessian cruiser, and it looks identical.
If you asked me what I thought your ships should be, I would say that you should only get capital ships from factions that your NPC alignment is more than neutral IE freindly or above. I dont think you should be using either Outcast or Corsair ships, or at least if you did, only choose one side. Just imagine seeing an Outcast destroyer and an Osiris next to each other and imagine how out of place that would be.
It may only prove your side, but I would just stay away from cruisers until the Junker one gets in the game (which could be a few months at the very least). If you want to use a cruiser and be real junkers, the only cruisers you should be getting are the Rhineland Military ones for the time being, as you can RP yourself into having one as a flagship through the Yanagi debris field and general wrecks in Sigma 13.
Either way, you shouldn't be using rhineland pirate cruisers and Corsair gunboats. Rhineland military gunboats...again, maybe. RP one or two in, but thats the limit. The majority of your power should be based around Collectors, which is what most Junkers would fly anyway.
3a) Anti BAF certainly does not mean you automatically get Corsair ships. It doesnt matter whether they would fit your RP or not, you cant just automatically get whoevers ships because your enemies are their enemies. Its diplomacy really....
3b) I assume they are exactly the same in dimensions from what is being said? And also, I do not believe that there is any difference between the two, and at that time I didnt know the Hessian cruiser looked the same (or does it?) as the Rhineland pirate cruiser. Its all a bit confusing now.
But did you read the rest of what I wrote? Solve your differences on skype or somthing. Im sure you two will get on...well, im not sure, but thats besides the point.
EDIT: Kress, I know you admitted it, and i didnt contradict you on that. I said I still had a grudge against you for it though, which is true, and the reason for it is because I am just that kind of guy. I hold grudges easily. Its just how I am.