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Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Malexa - 04-12-2010
The reason why I am against the gunship, or the technology share at all, is that it does not make sense.
The RFP can fly everything the ID allows and is on the tech chart. so Military tech is alright.
We as the faction leaders just agreed on the terms that we use our own ships, but that got erased recently without a comment.
Now back to my reason.
If the RFP can use the Wrath, the Bergelmir, the Fafnir and the Gunboats freely, you suddenly get the typical scene for Rheinland.
You suddenly have more Police Gunboats than the Military has Wraths.
It does not make sense. It is the Military for some reason. They have the big guns.
If the RFP can use the Wrath and the Bergelmir, the RFP ships won't ever get used.
Why would you use a Phantom, when you can use a Wrath? Or why would you use a Mjolnir, when you can have the Bergelmir?
Why would you have the RFP or the RM then? No need for two factions with the same gear.
No diversity in gear means no diversity in roleplay.
And suddenly we are back in 4.84. You have the RFP doing the Military job. And the Military doing the RFP job.
You have two factions being exactly the same.
A pity you decided to get the RFP back on this sorrow track.
Now we have so many traders and small time criminals around, that the RFP could boom.
Fighting gunboats or Bombers shouldn't be the RFP job. Call the Military then. Distract the enemy in the meanwhile.
But I fear the development here is not aimed at the roleplay and that it makes sense. It is more aimed for "how can we get the gear to do everything on our own".
Establish distinctive roleplay for the RFP, be around and make yourself unique to get attention so people want to join. New ships don't get you new players. They only make the two RFP pilots more capable of operating in their small team.
If we have more RFP around, we can diverse our duties more. Then your ships make sense and ours as well.
Malexa
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Curios - 04-12-2010
Im sorry, but im not agreed to post above D:
People want to be able to do something with teh stuff they are allowed to use. This is why police factions are so little and having a lack of players attention - navy have a much more toys to play with and actually navy doing all police job. I need to say, maybe it's a shocking news to someone and i appologies for that - patrolling lanes and hunting pirates that sitting on it and waiting traders is a POLIZZE job, uslually. Navy duty is to guard borders from foreign invasions and support police when tehy meet something like pirate cruiser or whatnot they can't handle by themselfs fast. In the other time navy sitting on the bases. To understand the point of what i just said just take a look around: Did you army walking around the streets with tanks and helicopters flying across the sky jsut to find some drug dillers in your town? Police doing it. Army sitting on the base outside the city. K? I think Gunship for police will be great. And Buff teh Phantom =3
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Malexa - 04-12-2010
If the police cant do the job, the army has to.
That is currently the state in Rheinland. We tried to split the duties, but failed due to the RFP inactivity, so we went back to status quo.
I am still waiting for the RFP to be around so we can split the duties again, so everything makes sense in roleplay. The RM should mainly take care about the borders, as you already stated. And foes where the police is not able to take them down. Like gunboats or larger organized pirate wings.
Smuggling interdiction, trader identification checks, cargo scans, lawfull search of people or ships and all that stuff should be police work, unless it is done near the borders. Even there the Police should do a joint operation.
RM capital vessels sealing off the area, keeping the traders in place, while the police is searching the ships.
But again, its a membership problem. Unless that does not change, these duties will be done by the RM as well.
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Curios - 04-12-2010
Yes, and i need to say it again:
Quote:This is why police factions are so little and having a lack of players attention - navy have a much more toys to play with and actually navy doing all police job.
Why people should play police with poor phantoms when they can play Military and do what police do and also they can raid Liberty? WIN?
Here should be the real changes between police and Military to give police factions some lifespace. Something like ID change for military: Can't patroll lanes in search of pirates. Or something like this.
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Oldum - 04-12-2010
' Wrote:Rhineland Military can use RPF tech and I bet that no of RPF gunships will be less then RM gunships.
Rhineland already has the best ships in the whole Sirius it doesnt need more.
The ID does allow us to use the RM gunships, but then if we'd have 3 of them fe. then the RM would be on our neck for making sure we only use them when we really really really need to ...
' Wrote:Only if every other police force in Sirius gets their own.
As far as I remember, LPI is using Liberty Gunboats (3 or 4 of them), but since liberty is a bit different from all other houses, let's just not talk about it.
Bretonia is almost like Rheinland is now, BAF doing all the work, and BPA is hardly ever around (or at least I don't see them really)
Kusari, well I have no info on that, but I think the KNF (when they are around) and the KSP are using exactly the same tech, but the KSP is lower on numbers.
For Rheinland, in my eyes it's almost like Bretonia, the RM does the RFPs job no matter if any RFP ship is around or not. At least this is what I saw when flying around in Rheinland. On the other hand, when I run into a group of Hessian fighters, or even better 4 or 5 hessian gunships, I bet my life on it that no RM ship is near or far ...
' Wrote:If the police cant do the job, the army has to.
That is currently the state in Rheinland. We tried to split the duties, but failed due to the RFP inactivity, so we went back to status quo.
I am still waiting for the RFP to be around so we can split the duties again, so everything makes sense in roleplay. The RM should mainly take care about the borders, as you already stated. And foes where the police is not able to take them down. Like gunboats or larger organized pirate wings.
Smuggling interdiction, trader identification checks, cargo scans, lawfull search of people or ships and all that stuff should be police work, unless it is done near the borders. Even there the Police should do a joint operation.
RM capital vessels sealing off the area, keeping the traders in place, while the police is searching the ships.
But again, its a membership problem. Unless that does not change, these duties will be done by the RM as well.
Again, the RM is doing the RFP's job either we like it or not, and even if we are sitting right next to them. The reason that the RFP is not around, at least in my opinion, cause the RM takes care of the work, and all we get to do is stop a few traders and so .. except when by some accident the RM didn't even show itself on that day, so Rheinland is crowded with badguys ... but then again when we would need support, or something big to shoot back with, which we don't have ... as I remember a day when I ran into a hessian Cruiser escorted by 2 Heimdals and an Odin ... that was fun, and I could screw my Mjolnir ... and what an accident, not a single RM ship I could contact for ... or anyone I know is in the RM ..
The reason we do not use Belgemirs and Wraiths is because the faction leader stated we can't ... Thrust me I'd love to change my RFP Roc to a Belgemir any time, but I just won't, cause I'm told not to.
Also, I think the RM's equipment isn't really what the RFP should use, since as far as my knowledge goes, Rheinland is the best in building military equipment. Then both the RFP and the RM should have enough equipment to handle their own business, regardless of the enemy's size, numbers or whatnot ...
(That is the reason the LPI has requested a Dreadnought, which is used to fight larger pirate groups, and 4-5 Gunboats at least to have a bit of superiority against pirates and so on.)
To sum everything up, the reason we'd like to have our own stuff is not because we want to get more members thisway. It's simply the fact that we don't get mistaken with the RM, and still be able to handle what we are supposed to and not shout for Military help every time something bigger then a bomber shows up ...
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Blaze - 04-12-2010
' Wrote:The ID does allow us to use the RM gunships, but then if we'd have 3 of them fe. then the RM would be on our neck for making sure we only use them when we really really really need to ...
I know that the official faction members wont use them a lot but what about indies? They will just SPAM the gunships.
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Cawdor - 04-12-2010
I'm with malexa. besides, there already is a lawful GB. And a damn good one, that's for sure.
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Oldum - 04-12-2010
' Wrote:I know that the official faction members wont use them a lot but what about indies? They will just SPAM the gunships.
Well, I didn't really see any lolwuts in RM GBs so far, probably cause most lolwuts stay in Liberty ... so I don't think this would be an issue
' Wrote:I'm with malexa. besides, there already is a lawful GB. And a damn good one, that's for sure.
There is, and we never said we want another Rheinland GB ... it would be something like the Bottlenose for the BHG besides the Orca ...
So the RM could be flying the heavy big bad GBs and the RFP would stick to the smaller and lighter GS .. which would mostly be good for hunting fighters and bombers, partialy good against transports and gunships/gbs ...
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Jansen - 04-12-2010
I like the idea, I dont have enough fingers to count how many times I had to retreat because I just and simply wasnt capable of dealing with the situation in the Mjolnir, while the RM a one or two systems away had to deal with other things and could not help me or wasnt even around at all.
The Mjolnir is a great ship against most Fighters and Bombers, but if it comes to anything bigger then a Bomber ( a well flown Praetorian can be a Problem) its just not agile enough and/or lacks the hull to survive a bit longer.
A gunship with stats near the Hacker GB or the Bottlenose would help a bit, it would still die against cruisers, so the RM wouldnt loose the "right" to help us.
Lawful Rheinland Gunship? - Blaze - 04-12-2010
Isnt the present GB already is a very difficult ship to kill with bombers due to its weird shape and because it is so thin.