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The Rules - [-=XTF=-]Aslan - 03-10-2008
1st,Hi all at the disco ,am a noobie to rp so i hope u all forgive me a little in game, have played pvp servers 4 about 2 yrs and wanted to try this out ,it appears to be somthing a little more civilised [getting tired of being blown away 4 no reason] . i think the post of xoria and badger both r wonderfull ,made some of the most interesting reading i,v had in a while an true in many points. I and a couple of friends have formed a co op called ITC = Ind Trading Co [we had not read xorias usefull post at that time ] you will see a few of us trading in a slipshod manner as we did in the 1980s b4 we were accidentaly chriogenicly frozen ,sold to a collector of chrio curios and accidentaly unfrozen to end up here lurching from calamity to worse just trying to survive an make a small nich 4 our selves [pinacolotta any 1] cu in space regards Delboy.:crazy:
The Rules - Reverend Del - 03-10-2008
That, there, is a post I wish I had written, but I lack the eloquence to put into words what you have so excellently communicated. Well done sir.
The Rules - Angelfire - 03-10-2008
Your outlook on things is fantastic, I especially like your emphasis on maturity and your references to the kinds of people we meet in real life and in game but...
I might only speak for myself here so flame away if necessary...
I don't play games to get stressed out more or handle more politics than my already hectic life.
I come here to gather my thoughts and hang out with fellows like you who see the world through the eyes of grace and reason, I come here to be a different version of me in a different world to the one I already live in.
In this new world, even as a 33 year old, I make vroom vroom noises and fly cooool spaceships around (ha ha).
What the mod creators have done here with this RP server, is amazing.
Reading these forums (mostly) makes me realize that there are some really good people out there, and hanging with them in play is fantastic.
I too dislike flaming, griping, nagging and moaning and there certainly are threads where this goes too far but I certainly think that we should (maturely) protect what we have here!
The difference between this game and real life is that if someone walks into my office and throws coffee in my lap or insults me, I have the power to do something about it!
In this mod, one selfish person can remove you from the server for 4 hours... and your only route to making sure it does not happen to you or anyone else again is to report it to an admin.
I wish with all my heart that the expression 'it's just a game' were true, but it's not. The moment you add another human being to the equation it becomes much more than 'just a game', it becomes human interaction.
And being that, it needs parameters of safety and a safe place for people to voice their concerns without fear of retribution or teasing etc.
My point is: I agree with you and honor your fantastic grace but I think we should listen very intently to the gripes of those the server was made for (RP) and then try to make them feel heard, not immature and foolish for speaking their minds.
If this game is seriously not a place for escape and entertainment, then I apologise for my ignorance.
Again, I am blown away by your post, I really honor you for your wisdom, I just felt that I needed to say these things.
Thanks for taking the time to speak your mind!
The Rules - looqas - 03-10-2008
Xoria. It would be wrong to say that I love to read your posts, but I'd rather say that I like to read them a lot. Love is not used as freely in my native language as it is in English and it carries over. A very big hand to you for bringing class to these forums. People should take note of your posts whether they agree with you or not since you let issues argue instead of going to personalities. A big hats-off for not making the posts too offensive or too accusatory. And a huge plus for not rolling with expressions like lol, lollercakes, lollerz, skillzzz, u, 2, 4 etc. Anyway I think you get my drift. Nice to know that forumites originating from your county can and are still willing to make themselves proud by using well written English with complete sentences. In short, thank you for putting real effort to your posts. Sadly if someone does that he/she is perceived nowadays eloquent rather than normal. :D
Enough with the back-patting. On to the commenting the post.
I agree with you that all people really need is time to grow up and get perspective. Rarely anyone can rush up the ripening of identity and perspective that comes with age. With age you come to understand that life is not, be that real world or internet, a popularity contest or measurable by the perceived cool-o-meter. A teenager is in it's basest form a pack animal. You're either in or out. Everything is black or white. With age you actually learn that it's a bit more complicated than that. You can be wrong and it's ok as long as you admit it. Only time ever will cure teenager's perception of himself/herself that world revolves around him/herself to a middle-aged view of being just a small wheel in the bigger machine. And Lord knows we old fellas have been there and hopefully have grown out of it. And basically who cares if you are having fun and no harm is done to others. Everybody acts usually their age more or less.
When you age you are bound to enter situations, like a work place, where you still have to work with even those obnoxious types. In school world you don't actually have to face such situations. Situations where you just can't do anything about it except endure. And bad mouthing behind someone's back just tells a lot about you as a person.
It's quite paradoxical that teens are most vocal about let-all-the-flowers-bud, but in reality they are the most exclusive and homogenous group of all. Narrow mindset produces narrow view of game play in Disco.
With age you actually understand fully the nugget of wisdom Xoria so freely gave us. You get to choose the crowd you hang with. You can make the decision who you play with and not vice versa. Disco caters to all tastes. When people realize this the chip comes off of their shoulders. I'm still an advocate of playing by and forcing the rules so don't you people get me wrong.
And Xoria, you'll probably have noticed a long time ago that like-minded people always gather around each other. In real life as in the net. So don't give up on hope, but just keep on doing what you are doing.
If you are in your teens and reading this, I wouldn't be too incenced about my post but I'd rather take solace in the fact that I get older and hopefully wiser every single day that passes. And I know I sound like your mom/dad but one day you'll horribly recognize that he/she actually knew what he/she was talking about and you and your friends had it all wrong. I know I have had to go down that path in my life :laugh:
This being a server that strives towards something higher and clearly has set of rules means that it's not simply allowed to do whatever one pleases regardless of one's age. There are others to be taken into consideration. Giving something out of yourself for others to enjoy. And that my friends is maturity in it's truest form.
Edit: Clarified some of my thoughts and grammatic check.
The Rules - Angelfire - 03-10-2008
Dammit! Some wise people round these parts... we should call it:
'The Universal Church of Disco'!
The Rules - Dieter Schprokets - 03-10-2008
I don't know who dug this up, but extremely well said, Xoria.
I hadn't read this when it was first posted, but better late than never.
The Rules - David Grau - 03-10-2008
Great post Xoria, and I agree with what you say about the kids. When I first started playing I was only 13 or 14...still very much a child. I remember how immature I was. Looking back I bet I was the biggest idiot playing fl. Now 4 to 5 years later I have changed a lot. Most of that change was brought on by adults who helped guide me to maturity. Which is why we adults should strive to educate the younger kids like you said.
You are dead on about the kids in battleships. In my younger years on one server I had 4 battleships characters. I did think that I needed them to be respected, but I was wrong. I had no rp for them I just had them to kill others. Now I realize that there is more to fl than pvp. Now I strive for just good roleplay as a player and group that does not seek to harm others....except for one of my chars. :P
None the less, even though I don't have 4 battleships now, I really don't mind. I learned that it his how you play your characters that matters, not what your characters have.
I try to do my share of creative roleplay. As many of you know I head the Grau Family and the Brennt brothers, and their story. I don't know if anyone likes it or not, but I am sure some don't. Though I can't think of anyone's rp that I don't like, but you are right about just not playing with those you don't really like. With over a 100 systems it isn't hard to avoid certain players.
Growing up is important for all of us, especially if you are like me and practically grew up with freelancer. It consumed about 95% of my teen years and as I go into adulthood it will still be with me.
It is amazing how time flies. It feels like just yesterday that I was in school during the day and being stupid after school...now, if all goes well, very soon I will be putting on the uniform and badge of a police officer. Time flies and we all age...we just need to be sure that as we age that we also grow up.
Again great post Xoria...hopefully see you in space. (Provided I figure out what chars you are.)
The Rules - sovereign - 03-11-2008
Is there some reason this isn't pinned, either here or in rules? Seriously, I think this is necessary, and that fact that Igiss himself (all hail!) posted here giving you gratitude seems to emphasize that.
You are a beast. At some point Wash might obtain a little plastic replica of your avatar as a keepsake because of that. Speaking of such, I should probably update that...
The Rules - Xoria - 03-11-2008
' Wrote:Is there some reason this isn't pinned, either here or in rules? Seriously, I think this is necessary, and that fact that Igiss himself (all hail!) posted here giving you gratitude seems to emphasize that.It doesn't need to be pinned. It is linked from one of my threads that is pinned already. Pinning this would be redundant.
' Wrote:You are a beast. At some point Wash might obtain a little plastic replica of your avatar as a keepsake because of that. Speaking of such, I should probably update that...I have been called many things, but that is a first...especially coming from someone with a squishy as an avatar.
The Rules - sovereign - 03-11-2008
' Wrote:It doesn't need to be pinned. It is linked from one of my threads that is pinned already. Pinning this would be redundant.
I have been called many things, but that is a first...especially coming from someone with a squishy as an avatar.
If its mentiond there then thats fine. And the squishy is only there because I couldn't think of anything better... and by the way, Wash having a mini-your avatar isn't that odd, he already has a collection of small plastic dinos on the dashboard... and dragon type things aren't that far off...