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The Ronin - Zelot - 08-02-2011

' Wrote:So, you're saying people won't be able to have fun just because you don't like it?

Sorry, but who are you to tell others how should they play? Be sure there will be a rush of Ronin IDed fleets in early .86 (whenever that might be), just because it's something new, just because it's still fun, just because it's not the same old crap people been doing since .82 in Kusari. Chim vs. Katana, ye that's fun. But for how long? It's the same thing over and over. People might like to go shoot GRN with their Chims now, who are you to restrict them?

It's like sayin "Corsairs are supposed to be much greater in numbers compared to Outcasts, so I'm gonna be very sad if I see more Casts than Sairs and put severe restrictions on Cast ID if that happens."

Yeah? No.
Emperor? Admin? Developer? It's their fun, their play time. Not yours.

Get down off your soapbox. There are several restricted IDs on the server, this would just be another. And I am the one to decide. Not because I am the Emperor, but instead because I am the developer in charge of this and the Admin working on IDs. Both of those put this squarely in the area of "my" decision. While you might only care for the "Fun" I care about the quality of play and rp on this server, and the balance that the storyline is trying to create. One of the main objectives of the 4.86 storyline is to develop more action inside Kusari, and between Kusari factions. The Ronin were an afterthought, and really only used as a prop in a change in the storyline. Smaller than the smallest faction in Sirius, a minor insignificant detail. A fleet of battleships does not go along with that. Many ID's are restricted to keep them in-line with the role play they are supposed to have. Why would this be any different?

Either way, I am the one to make this decision. That is not to say I dont listen to others in regards to this, in fact, I believe I created a thread to ask for peoples input, but at the end of the day, I have to make the decision so yes, I am the one to ruin peoples fun.



The Ronin - aerelm - 08-02-2011

' Wrote:There are several restricted IDs on the server, this would just be another.
What I mentioned in last post, applies to all those other 'restricted IDs' as well. That's my personal opinion over what some people refer to as 'elitism' in Disco, although I don't find that label really suitable but whatever.

Closed factions are what we should blame for the 'Better than you' attitude of a chunk of this community, but that's rather irrelevant to the main subject of this thread so I'd rather leave it there.

' Wrote:I am the one to ruin peoples fun.
Another reason to blame Zelot then. [Image: emoticon-00157-sun.gif]

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And as for the rest of your post, that's totally your personal opinion on the matter which clearly is opposite to mine, but sadly or gladly (Which completely depends on the view point of whoever's judging), you're the one in power and you're the one whose opinion counts more than others. I'm neither calling it 'bias' nor 'conspiracy', because that's just how each and every community runs. I'm just calling it a 'buzzkill' and nothing more.

Main issue of Kusari activity level is not the storyline or anything related to that. It's the freakin small ships that not everyone can hit, even with their Skyblasts/Daitos/Gaian Angels. Even though Mjolnir says a Katana is as large as a Guardian, how things are played out in space prove to be rather different. Nerfing everything in Kusari won't help either, it's just how things are in that house. You can't encourage anyone to go in Kusari and shoot LF-sized VHFs, and that's that - Reason behind Kusari's inactivity.

You're the one leading the IG if I'm not wrong, so why do I see more [KNF-IG] in Leeds than in Kusari core systems, where they belong to? Cause people prefer to shoot fat Templars and slowass Challengers rather than Katanas and Blossoms that mostly know how to fly and have much better guns than the 600ms Naval pewsticks. The whole Kusari activity is diverted to Leeds, if you haven't noticed.

That aside, as it's rather off-topic, the idea behind Ronin is an interesting one. Interesting enough to end up in threads like this, "I've read about a new ID in a mod update that's being delayed for more than a year now and I'm interested to make a char with that ID when the update's finally out. Any details?". Because the whole mod, thanks to Igiss, is centered around Gallia, and when we have ideas for Xenos expeditionary groups who decide to go shoot GRN in Taus, why shouldn't people be able to go shoot GRN on their KNF to protect the emperor they're still loyal to?

It's totally the dev team's call that how anything can be played out, be it InRp lore or ooRp balance management. But after each and every update, each and every 'official statement' and each and every discussion that a dev/admin gets involved, I get the feeling that the fun factor of this game is fading away as more and more 'hardcore RP' ideas and 'eyecandy graphics' get added into the mod. And fun, is totally subjective. One might have fun with writing pages and pages of Rp on forums while logging the server only once in a blue moon, and one might have fun with having a merc who goes out to shoot stuff for the sake of pvp. Long as both are completely within the rules, I don't see any issues with either or anyone inbetween. Restricting the rules though, to force everyone to play in one line that person x in charge of area y of the mod prefers, is rather illogical in my book.

It's a game and is supposed to be fun, in its own way and within the borders of the rules set by the administrators and the restrictions put in place by the dev team... However, it's the purpose of those rules and restrictions to cover as much types of 'having fun' as possible, while simply keeping it regulated and out of the chaos that 'too much freedom' might cause. This is the one thing that Disco seems to be missing. "Person A managed to/will most likely mess up a whole house with freedom B?" is always answered with "Let's simply remove freedom B and be done with it", rather than "Let's readjust it and still keep it fun for those who are able to play with that toy decently".

But all and all, it's your call on this matter and not mine. It's been how I've always played the game, I've just logged the server and had fun while ignoring nearly most of the crap going on forums. Whether the Ronin ID is a fully restricted one limited to a closed faction, or an open ID allowing even Battleships is nothing I care about, because honestly, I'm not really interested in anything KNF-related anyways. I'm just tossing my personal opinion here as a part of the community, but on server, I just log a random char, have fun, log off. Be it .85 or .86 and in any house on whatever ship. If I can't use a ship or an ID, I'll just shrug it off and go find something more fun to do in some other house on some other ship.

But seeing the directions that everything is headed on disco, is rather sad... imo.


The Ronin - Vahir - 08-03-2011

' Wrote:What I mentioned in last post, applies to all those other 'restricted IDs' as well. That's my personal opinion over what some people refer to as 'elitism' in Disco, although I don't find that label really suitable but whatever.

Closed factions are what we should blame for the 'Better than you' attitude of a chunk of this community, but that's rather irrelevant to the main subject of this thread so I'd rather leave it there.
Another reason to blame Zelot then. [Image: emoticon-00157-sun.gif]

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And as for the rest of your post, that's totally your personal opinion on the matter which clearly is opposite to mine, but sadly or gladly (Which completely depends on the view point of whoever's judging), you're the one in power and you're the one whose opinion counts more than others. I'm neither calling it 'bias' nor 'conspiracy', because that's just how each and every community runs. I'm just calling it a 'buzzkill' and nothing more.

Main issue of Kusari activity level is not the storyline or anything related to that. It's the freakin small ships that not everyone can hit, even with their Skyblasts/Daitos/Gaian Angels. Even though Mjolnir says a Katana is as large as a Guardian, how things are played out in space prove to be rather different. Nerfing everything in Kusari won't help either, it's just how things are in that house. You can't encourage anyone to go in Kusari and shoot LF-sized VHFs, and that's that - Reason behind Kusari's inactivity.

You're the one leading the IG if I'm not wrong, so why do I see more [KNF-IG] in Leeds than in Kusari core systems, where they belong to? Cause people prefer to shoot fat Templars and slowass Challengers rather than Katanas and Blossoms that mostly know how to fly and have much better guns than the 600ms Naval pewsticks. The whole Kusari activity is diverted to Leeds, if you haven't noticed.

That aside, as it's rather off-topic, the idea behind Ronin is an interesting one. Interesting enough to end up in threads like this, "I've read about a new ID in a mod update that's being delayed for more than a year now and I'm interested to make a char with that ID when the update's finally out. Any details?". Because the whole mod, thanks to Igiss, is centered around Gallia, and when we have ideas for Xenos expeditionary groups who decide to go shoot GRN in Taus, why shouldn't people be able to go shoot GRN on their KNF to protect the emperor they're still loyal to?

It's totally the dev team's call that how anything can be played out, be it InRp lore or ooRp balance management. But after each and every update, each and every 'official statement' and each and every discussion that a dev/admin gets involved, I get the feeling that the fun factor of this game is fading away as more and more 'hardcore RP' ideas and 'eyecandy graphics' get added into the mod. And fun, is totally subjective. One might have fun with writing pages and pages of Rp on forums while logging the server only once in a blue moon, and one might have fun with having a merc who goes out to shoot stuff for the sake of pvp. Long as both are completely within the rules, I don't see any issues with either or anyone inbetween. Restricting the rules though, to force everyone to play in one line that person x in charge of area y of the mod prefers, is rather illogical in my book.

It's a game and is supposed to be fun, in its own way and within the borders of the rules set by the administrators and the restrictions put in place by the dev team... However, it's the purpose of those rules and restrictions to cover as much types of 'having fun' as possible, while simply keeping it regulated and out of the chaos that 'too much freedom' might cause. This is the one thing that Disco seems to be missing. "Person A managed to/will most likely mess up a whole house with freedom B?" is always answered with "Let's simply remove freedom B and be done with it", rather than "Let's readjust it and still keep it fun for those who are able to play with that toy decently".

But all and all, it's your call on this matter and not mine. It's been how I've always played the game, I've just logged the server and had fun while ignoring nearly most of the crap going on forums. Whether the Ronin ID is a fully restricted one limited to a closed faction, or an open ID allowing even Battleships is nothing I care about, because honestly, I'm not really interested in anything KNF-related anyways. I'm just tossing my personal opinion here as a part of the community, but on server, I just log a random char, have fun, log off. Be it .85 or .86 and in any house on whatever ship. If I can't use a ship or an ID, I'll just shrug it off and go find something more fun to do in some other house on some other ship.

But seeing the directions that everything is headed on disco, is rather sad... imo.

It's their mod and they have no obligations to make it fun or not, but other than that you basicly put my exact thoughts down in a massive wall of text. Well done. I also want to add that if restrictions are placed on the Ronin, the people who wanted to join them won't go to the KNF- In general, they will find a more interesting faction to play.



The Ronin - Gaz83 - 08-03-2011

' Wrote:Oh no, not another closed ID.
Quick make sure we are in control of others RP cause our ID is more important and must be done my way.:crazy:



The Ronin - The Clearinghouse - 08-03-2011

How would having a closed ID even work to start off with?
It may be just me, but having the admins hand a new shiny faction to someone without any compitition would be...
hmmm.
I mean...yeah.
And how would the regular faction officiality thing work if you can't actually fly with that ID until you get official?
Seems like trying with the KNF ID would be oorp and out of ZoI.


The Ronin - Vahir - 08-03-2011

' Wrote:How would having a closed ID even work to start off with?
It may be just me, but having the admins hand a new shiny faction to someone without any compitition would be...
hmmm.
I mean...yeah.
And how would the regular faction officiality thing work if you can't actually fly with that ID until you get official?
Seems like trying with the KNF ID would be oorp and out of ZoI.


...

What?


The Ronin - Markus_Janus - 08-03-2011

' Wrote:How would having a closed ID even work to start off with?
It may be just me, but having the admins hand a new shiny faction to someone without any compitition would be...
hmmm.
I mean...yeah.
And how would the regular faction officiality thing work if you can't actually fly with that ID until you get official?
Seems like trying with the KNF ID would be oorp and out of ZoI.


Actually that is a very good question.



The Ronin - Vahir - 08-03-2011

' Wrote:Actually that is a very good question.

What did he ask? I didn't understand that.


The Ronin - Eichann Rush - 08-03-2011

' Wrote:What did he ask? I didn't understand that.
I believe he meant that it would be unfair for the admins to create a new faction out of the blue, and then give it to a single person to be faction leader.
The way previous closed factions came about was through their officiality process, then petitioning the admins for a new ID of their own, similiar to what the reavers are trying now. (err were)
That being said, I agree.
having an awesome new faction hardcoded with bases and ID's and everything handed out with no competition would be ........well, abuse of admin powers, to be frank. And if we are going to the trouble of advancing the storyline, a storyline set forth by Igiss and not controlled by the players, why would we have a new faction, with new RP possibilities, closed off? It would be scandalous.
His second question, assuming that the ID is closed and that the faction spot isn't handed out, how would one create an unofficial faction without having access to the ID?
You would think KNF ID, but that would be both OORP, Out of the KNF's ZoI in 4.86, and would probably have restrictions on it that the Ronin ID wouldn't.