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Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Maelstrom - 01-05-2012
Quote:I would argue it puts more of an onus on people to RP properly and get more involved in the Discovery community.
How does one rp being a victim of faction power abuse properly? Factions and faction leaders screw up all the time. The forums are littered with examples. How does giving them even more control over other's role play provide incentive for those others to role play? This won't help role play, it'll restrict it to what a chosen few think role play should be.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012
Quote:On a probability scale, how more likely is it for a person being FR5ed to have a valid reason than it being a case of foolishness on behalf of the faction leader?
Define foolishness?
If you define it as eliteism, bias and other forms of bigotry then...
Very, very high.
At least the Admin's use a council type of system and therefore more opinions get injected into the mix and it's far, far, less biased although it still does not have checks/balances.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Switchback - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:This is an extremely bad idea.
This.
There is to much BIAS, oorp friendships on skype, and overall hatred between members for a FR5 system to work.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:And completely impossible as humans create the self-sustaining frameworks that do not use human input during their operation.
Fruit of the poisoned tree >: o
Perhaps requiring FLs to provide ex-post-facto justification for the FR5 which can be crosschecked against complaints?
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:Define foolishness?
If you define it as eliteism, bias and other forms of bigotry then...
Very, very high.
At least the Admin's use a council type of system and therefore more opinions get injected into the mix and it's far, far, less biased although it still does not have checks/balances.
I have no problem with elitism, given that in the vast majority of cases within Discovery the "elite" are subjected to higher levels of initial screening than someone entering the server for the first time.
FR5 exists to create some semblance of structure and realism to the roleplay of the server. Like it or not official factions reflect the fact that NPC factions are (for the most part) a cohesive unit operating under a single guideline.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Maelstrom - 01-05-2012
Quote:requiring FLs to provide ex-post-facto justification
If this is required then the system should not be allowed. You do not punish a person before their guilt is established.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:This.
There is to much BIAS, oorp friendships on skype, and overall hatred between members for a FR5 system to work.
And to my mind, such statements encourage the shirking of responsibility by the playerbase leading to a poorer community as a whole.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Tomtomrawr - 01-05-2012
I support this. The positions of power need to be spread out further, the power certain people hold diluted. And it's logical after all - they're the leader of the bloody faction, their character would have that power InRP to make such a decision. And if the decision is considered to be one made without sufficient RP reasoning then it's revoked by the Admins.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012
' Wrote:If this is required then the system should not be allowed. You do not punish a person before their guilt is established.
Yes, but such thinking requires the factor of the majority of players being able to roleplay well without external influence - which is clearly not the case. People can roleplay well if they have structure, boundaries, and threat of consequence.
Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012
Quote:This.
There is to much BIAS, oorp friendships on skype, and overall hatred between members for a FR5 system to work.
Agreed.
Quote:I have no problem with elitism, given that in the vast majority of cases within Discovery the "elite" are subjected to higher levels of initial screening than someone entering the server for the first time.
That does not give them the right to TRAMPLE on other people's roleplay just because it doesnt flow right with them, or a lot of the times, because they simply dont like the person.