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Why most traders feel sad - Jack_Henderson - 01-10-2012
Improve survivability of transports.
The introduction of more Battle transports and nerfed GBs (can they still carry those big CAUs now?) is a good first step to make transporting more enjoyable. Adding the "fight" alternative to traders will make that role more interesting.
Why most traders feel sad - Cavaliere - 01-10-2012
Traders dont need more buff, their weakness encourage them to use escort service which mean more interaction between player, money good, but RP also important, so the ingredients for happy trader will be good routes, sufficient escort and perhaps some spicy pirates on the way.
Bon appetite
Why most traders feel sad - Tachyon - 01-10-2012
This discussion is old.
If traders can't get away from pirates, they lack the skill to do that.
Incase you get caught: Pay and move along, it's always cheaper.
Guns of Transports are fine as they are, a nice chainfire with Type 3's used rightly will keep the casual PirateBomber away.
If you fight, concentrate on both fightning and getting away; dodging a SNAC is a better choice then just keep moving and get beaten up.
Also, from my own expirience, there are quite some good tricks to evade being pirated even in a one-way tradelane system.
Why most traders feel sad - Prysin - 01-10-2012
' Wrote:Well, I have a huge Bison with a huge armor and lot of guns on it. It's always fun when it's attacked. Can't wait to see it in a convoy. But I go out to pirate and what I see? Trains and Whales without armor. Being well defended just doesn't worth it - most of the time, noone will bother you, and you make more cash.
So. We pirates are too few. We should be more tough. So go out, not just in peak hours, get 'em! :$
Also quoting myself from skype:
[2012.01.09. 23:57:30] Evan_: I just love the 4.86 trade system. Wherever I try something, it works well. I got to the point pretty fast when I don't even calculate my profit, just take what I want to take where. I can't even estimate how cool it is. Thought you don't hear it enough.
solution to convoy: pirate bomber with screamers
Solution to pirate bomber: escorts with VERY heavy guns (gunship or similar)
Why most traders feel sad - Markam - 01-10-2012
Travel in groups (2 is a million times better than 1, though the same can be said for pirates), buy armour, if you don't intend to fight, equip full pulse guns on your transport and try to disable the pirate (specifically if it's a Ptrans), do not try to cruise when the pirate is in 2-3k range, thrust, ekill, strafe, if he spams you with CD's set a key to thrust continually by pressing said button (there is a key bind for it). Watch the lanes, if you see something red drop lane and try to cruise free. Be aware of your closest base, if it's close enough you can escape and dock to it.
When you're in a group, that does not always mean you should fight, rather you should try to flee together, trading b/b while trying to escape to a base.
In terms of armour, the 15m U8 should be standard, capital armour is also a good idea, but remember it's to help you escape most of the time, not to make you a killer.
Just what came to mind.
Why most traders feel sad - Ceoran - 01-10-2012
' Wrote:Not really. Bombers already have a massive window of safety, from which they can lob projectiles without being in range of transport turrets. The SNAC's range nerf helped a lot though. Give (anti-snub) transport turrets the same range as the SNAC and the possibility to hit at that range, and we've got a working solution.
The pirate who decides to attack with Novas probably deserves his reward for being unconventional and awesome.
Following the spirit of rock-scissor-paper, I'd prefer the snubs to keep their edge over transports, but increase the transports strength against larger targets, especially gunboats, while those get to be snub-killers.
Why most traders feel sad - Ingenious - 01-10-2012
' Wrote:This balance is unacceptable as most will find it more profitable to simply pick up a bomber and pirate than trade through hard work.
Piracy is actually challenging, but it's not hard work. Trading is not really hard work either. Go work on a construction site if you want that.
Why most traders feel sad - Madvillain - 01-10-2012
I for sure wouldn't like to see transport shields or hull buffed,
at least not to the point it takes more then 2 pirates to take it down before it docks and f1's.
that's just bad for RP , for the pirates , and for the transporter...
Why most traders feel sad - Madvillain - 01-10-2012
would it be possible for trade ships to have a auto pilot btw ?
that would give trading more a feeling like your captain of a huge ship.
i mean .. its waaaaaaaaaaay in the future , inventing a autopilot system should be a piece of cake.. , that way traders can focus more on rping (less on clicking tradelane to tradelane).
For me this would greatly increase the quality of trading to be honest .
one could say this would increase the number of powertraders , but that would be countered with the increase of piracy of these less watchfull targets.
Why most traders feel sad - Skullz - 01-10-2012
I've never liked trading. Though I will say this, bomber pvp vs any transport is way over powered. For buffs for transports I'd say give the weapons more variety and a slight buff in damage capability. And nerf Bomber tech in a way that it stays as it is against Gunboats and Capitols, but when fired on a Transport it doesn't do so much damage. Say 90% for normal bomber guns, and 50% for Bomber torps and SNAC's.
Improving Transport Hit points isn't a good idea.
My favourite pirating character use's a Light Fighter, and I always find it fun destorying a miner thats trying to run to Java, and they blow up a few kilometres away, adding insult to themselves just for trying to run away. (This is only by gun fire, not using a single Screamer that I always have equiped on that character)
So, nerf Bomber specialist equipment against transports only and give a slight buff to Transport weapons, thats all that is needed in my opinion, to even up the odds a bit. Pirating is suppost to be a risky business. Only way of doing a risky pirate roleplay is to use LF's, HF's or a Transport against Transports (might include VHF's). As soon as a bomber pirates it's so overpowered it is beyond comprehension.
Last note: Not been pirated by Gunboats much, so don't have much to say about how overpowered or not, they are in terms of piracy.