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Liberty gunboat - mjolnir - 01-31-2012
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What she said.
Liberty gunboat - RmJ - 01-31-2012
Ya know...didn't notice till it was pointed out. Could this be the reason why I died to two bombers and VHF?
>.> I was having a rougher time getting all guns firing...
Liberty gunboat - Veygaar - 01-31-2012
Just tested out my Con LibGB.
Still took out 2 bombers and a CAU8 KuEx with my CAU4 LibGB...
It's still OP'd
Liberty gunboat - Ursus - 02-21-2012
I changed my mind about this, it's bad. Basic problem is that the ship is setup for kiting, but limiting the number of guns under the nose has made it weak like kitten in that role.
Turret steering with the liberty and rheinland gunboats is basically presenting a billboard to the target, so its less of an advantage on this ship than with other gunboats. But it's not possible to turret steer vertically the same way you can horizontally, the game just isn't setup for it and the camera goes all wonky when you do it. So you have to do things like attack the ship from above, except whoops we don't have any guns there anymore. This is a very hard hit in-game.
BTW the Tridente is still the most OP gunboat in the game.
Liberty gunboat - Veygaar - 02-23-2012
' Wrote:BTW the Tridente is still the most OP gunboat in the game.It got uber nerfed. IMO its one of the worst. It's agility went down, they made it so only 4 turrets can fire to the sides instead of 6-8 like in .85 so it's Dolphin ability is horrible. Honestly I'm not sure why you think it's OP'd. I hate the new one so much I got rid of mine if favor of a KuEx.
As for Libby GB and RM GB... I'm just going to keep the "how" quite for now. But both of these GB's are some of the BEST ones in the game at this moment, just gotta know how to fly em.
Liberty gunboat - Ursus - 02-23-2012
' Wrote:It got uber nerfed. IMO its one of the worst. It's agility went down, they made it so only 4 turrets can fire to the sides instead of 6-8 like in .85 so it's Dolphin ability is horrible. Honestly I'm not sure why you think it's OP'd.It's still stupid agile, you can turn and face the target and hit it with your 6 forward turrets while the other ship is still trying to straighten out. Average gunboat only fires 5 in any direction max, so your 6 forward beats the 5 forward from the rest. And it still has stupid amounts of hull and power plant for the agility, so even from the side with 4 turrets it still has a good chance at winning on attrition. Now add in the stupid profile, its impossible to maintain fire on it so its not going to take as much damage. I agree its not as bad as it was in .85 (turret steering in circles with my Orca now has a pretty good chance on it), but it will still win in a nose-to-nose fight against most of the lawful ships. This is especially true with the liberty funboat now that kiting up and down doesn't work--you only get 3 turrets on the downward rack.
Liberty gunboat - ryoken - 02-23-2012
' Wrote:Bo-ho, you can't be called a "GB God" anymore because you don't fly the most OP gunboat in the mod.
Never could. Outcast Gunboat has/is/always will be the "GB God"
Liberty gunboat - Veygaar - 02-23-2012
' Wrote:Average gunboat only fires 5 in any direction max.
Wrong, average is 6, the exception is GB's with the awesome and powerful forward gun, learn to use it.
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And it still has stupid amounts of hull and power plant for the agility
The agility is average, the hull is BELOW average. Libby GB has MORE agility and MORE hull. It's power-plant is average as it is a medium GB.
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Now add in the stupid profile, its impossible to maintain fire on it so its not going to take as much damage.
You seriously can't keep solid fire on this thing? It's hitbox got so incredibly enlarged I have no idea how you are missing it...
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turret steering in circles with my Orca now has a pretty good chance on it
This is why you're losing in GB vs GB fights. Dolphin or anything except a "Kite" like steering in a GB vs GB fight will get you slain by an equally skilled GB pilot.
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but it will still win in a nose-to-nose fight against most of the lawful ships.
I can say with confidence I will ALWAYS kill an equally skilled Tridente pilot in the Bretonian GB, the Rheinland GB, and the Liberty GB (so amazing in .86, people need to lrn2fly different ships to their unique vessel's advantage). The only lawful GB it think the Tridente will beat in an equally skilled pilot fight is the Kusari GB (which needs a buff please devs:().
' Wrote:Never could. Outcast Gunboat has/is/always will be the "GB God"I literally got rid of mine because of how terrible it is now.
I seriously need to stress this as somehow people think TS is now the only way to go:
Turret Steering is in NO WAY the way to beat everything, ESPECIALLY in a GB vs GB fight. It works good as a defense against snub craft. And when included as PART of other fights can be beneficial. To be good in a GB you must not just rely on one way of fighting, it's a game of Rock Paper Scissors, there is always a counter to what you or another pilot does.
Liberty gunboat - Ursus - 02-23-2012
' Wrote:Average gunboat only fires 5 in any direction max.What? Average for the gunboats with FC and without FC is 6 for each. If you prefer, use the GB/GS classification on the wiki, it is already split that way. That is total guns. Most cant fire all of their guns in any one direction (including the tridente), but since the tridente has 8 turrets total that leaves 6 to fire forward, and 6>5.
Wrong, average is 6, the exception is GB's with the awesome and powerful forward gun, learn to use it.
As I said before I am comparing it to the lawful boats. The liberty boat has 7 total, 5 max forward (only 3 to the lower front) and 5 max to the side, but the side presents a billboard for a target so use the nose and wriggle around, just dont go up and down because you lose 2 forward turrets whenever the nose points above the target. God help you if your ship gets rotated and you have to turn into the nose. Even if you do it perfectly, 6>5 all the time in head-to-head match. NEXT the rheinland boat has 6 total, 5 forward max, 4 to the side max, and it also presents a billboard to the side but at least you keep all 5 forward, well 6>5 all the time hrmm. NEXT the bret GB which happens to be the size of the bret cruiser, at last a winner it has 7 turrets (still one less than the tridente) and all of them will fire forward until the powercore is exhausted which takes about 10 seconds with the bret turrets, to the side is 5 guns same as the others. Head-to-head the bret boat will win, but if that little OC ship darts around the bret boat is going to take more damage than it gives out, especially with gun cool-down interval. NEXT the Orca is 6 turrets, only 5 in any direction forward or side. NEXT oops I don't have a kusari boat. Okay of the 4 lawfuls I listed there, only the bret boat has more firepower to the front, and it lacks the power core to sustain the native turrets.
Quote:And it still has stupid amounts of hull and power plant for the agilityIt still feels more agile to me, maybe its not but it sure feels like it. As to the power plant, it takes about 35 seconds to run out the power reserves with six turrets firing, which is essentially an infinite amount of time. The liberty and rheinland and orca boats are also long-lasting cores right up until you use the forward gun and then its gone, and not true for bret unless you switch to basics on 4+ turrets.
The agility is average, the hull is BELOW average. Libby GB has MORE agility and MORE hull. It's power-plant is average as it is a medium GB.
Quote:Now add in the stupid profile, its impossible to maintain fire on it so its not going to take as much damage.I'm a poor shot, it's a thin ship, figure it out
You seriously can't keep solid fire on this thing? It's hitbox got so incredibly enlarged I have no idea how you are missing it...
Quote:turret steering in circles with my Orca now has a pretty good chance on itOrca is better when shooting to the side against targets that can't (this is the exact opposite of liberty and rheinland boats which are at their worst to the sides). EG, if I can keep 5 out the side on a Tridente while he is keeping 4 out the side on me, I will win. So turret steering in circles is best for that, not flopping around and increasing my target mass. Also the Orca hull got bumped up somewhat in .86 which improved its survivability apart from the tactics. I win more fights in my Orca now than my Liberty ship, in 85 it was the other way around.
This is why you're losing in GB vs GB fights. Dolphin or anything except a "Kite" like steering in a GB vs GB fight will get you slain by an equally skilled GB pilot.
Quote:[b]I seriously need to stress this as somehow people think TS is now the only way to go:
Nobody here said that, dunno why you feel compelled to lecture about it
Liberty gunboat - Veygaar - 02-23-2012
*sigh*
Let me clarify about the average forward turret thing.
GB's w/ FG = 5 forward turrets (cept Kusari GB)
GB w/o FG = 6 forward turrets (cept Bottlenose w/4, Gaian w/5, and LR GB w/5)
So all GB's are pretty darn average with forward capability.
On your Liberty GB, learn your turret arch's so you can fire all 7 (yeah there's 7 not 6) turrets at once, you will feel the power of that sucker pretty fast.
On your Orca, reverse box that sucker when fighting a Tridente, you'll find you might win w/o losing even your shield if the Tridente is steering.
I can pretty much just sum it all up by saying you don't know how to fly your GB's to the best of their ability, so your say on the Liberty GB is skewed of course.
As for the Bret GB:DTry, just try fighting a good Bret GB pilot (Kai) with ANY other GB. You will lose.