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SRP - ryoken - 05-03-2012
' Wrote:Role Play often includes guns...
This is reason i am glad SRP's are gone, and reason i hope they stay gone. With exception of 2-3 chars i know of, every SRP char i encountered had great forum RP, but was a PVP whore in game, using best combo's he/she could come up with to win.
' Wrote:In all honesty, Forumlancer was one of the problems with SRP as it was. You shouldn't be obliged to write a novel when you should be judged on how well you can roleplay and interact with other people. If I wanted to write a story, I'd write a story, not roleplay in a multiplayer game.
This exactly. No matter your RP in game, they want you to right a novel about your char. Most write the novel, and then ingame are not even close to it.
Also many posts are meant for a select few to respond to, and if anyone out side what is listed respond? they get slapped. So why the hell waste time reading pages, if you cannot respond, or put your RP into it? I will tell you. NONE! Then ingame people complain you did not read thier RP. Well i am sorry, if i see any RP targeted to lets say.....LR or HF or Congress, but i cannot answer, or respong/comment? then why the hell should i read it.
Most on forums want to read up, and see if they missed a change, or new rule. I bet 90% of server will not spend 15-20 minutes per topic reading others stories, that may take up hours if their are many of them.
So in Conclusion. RP your char ingame, if you do not like nerf for your setup? to fracking bad, there is a reason for the nerf, so live with it, or change your RP. Do not waste others time, because you think your special, and deserve more then rest of server.
SRP - Pancakes - 05-03-2012
' Wrote:This is reason i am glad SRP's are gone, and reason i hope they stay gone. With exception of 2-3 chars i know of, every SRP char i encountered had great forum RP, but was a PVP whore in game, using best combo's he/she could come up with to win.
This exactly. No matter your RP in game, they want you to right a novel about your char. Most write the novel, and then ingame are not even close to it.
Also many posts are meant for a select few to respond to, and if anyone out side what is listed respond? they get slapped. So why the hell waste time reading pages, if you cannot respond, or put your RP into it? I will tell you. NONE! Then ingame people complain you did not read thier RP. Well i am sorry, if i see any RP targeted to lets say.....LR or HF or Congress, but i cannot answer, or respong/comment? then why the hell should i read it.
Most on forums want to read up, and see if they missed a change, or new rule. I bet 90% of server will not spend 15-20 minutes per topic reading others stories, that may take up hours if their are many of them.
So in Conclusion. RP your char ingame, if you do not like nerf for your setup? to fracking bad, there is a reason for the nerf, so live with it, or change your RP. Do not waste others time, because you think your special, and deserve more then rest of server.
The problem isn't with the combo's really, it's more with the fact that people need ships their ID doesn't allow. Like a researcher (now freelancer) flying a corvo - perfectly legit RP, which I can't even find that can be abused even without any nerf given the fact corvo is really lame at fighting, since that's not its goal. All of the gunboats other there are better in terms of PvP. (That was just a wild example that flew out of my head btw).
SRP - DarthBindo - 05-03-2012
' Wrote:The problem isn't with the combo's really, it's more with the fact that people need ships their ID doesn't allow. Like a researcher (now freelancer) flying a corvo - perfectly legit RP, which I can't even find that can be abused even without any nerf given the fact corvo is really lame at fighting, since that's not its goal. All of the gunboats other there are better in terms of PvP. (That was just a wild example that flew out of my head btw).The Corvo actually used to be on the Researcher Id, didn't it?
Meh.
I thouroughly disagree with the consolidation of the various generic ID's.
I don't really understand why such would be wanted/needed.
SRP - ryoken - 05-04-2012
' Wrote:The Corvo actually used to be on the Researcher Id, didn't it?
Meh.
I thouroughly disagree with the consolidation of the various generic ID's.
I don't really understand why such would be wanted/needed.
Some had exceptions in them that people were abusing, and/or did not understand. So it was a few ruining it for the many kind of thing.
SRP - Mímir - 05-04-2012
SRP's are gone and good riddance! It's impossible to maintain fairness in such a system, no matter how hard you try and what efforts you do - moreover it could reflect negatively on the admins as an institution, as they ultimately made the calls on who got an SRP and who didn't. We are all - admins included - just people, and we got our own biases. Nobody is exempt from that. Getting rid of SRP's promotes fairness for all - independent of skype contacts - and enforces the admins as an institution, as there is less of a chance to be accused of cronyism etc.
So yeah, if you are of the "chatting=rp" conviction, take the nerf and fly the ship you want - or get a gunboat. Last time I played the nerf on medium/heavy gunboats using basic faction turrets didn't have the same debilitating effect we see on fighters - if the RP you have in mind could be done with a gunboat-class vessel I'd say go for this, as you can still fight while being nerfed. Might have been changed in recent updates though.
And don't worry about people looking at your Bretonian Intelligence Sevice ID'd Kusari hatchet or whatnot. The days of the self-righteous Disco man are over - sort of. Your choice of ship/ID might raise a few eyebrows, but really that was - aside from certain extremely powerful ship/weapon combos - the intent of the old SRP. To get some attention - and that will most likely be the same now. So yeah if you don't violate server and ID rules, you are good, and if anyone has a problem with that, well that's their problem really.
SRP - lw'nafh - 05-04-2012
I'd like to take this moment to point out that, Peder, 'chatting' is as much RP as shooting is. As I've said before, and will invariably say again:
PvP is an element or roleplay.
RP is no justification to shoot things for the sake of doing so.
That said, SRPs could still be useful in certain, explicit cases, but overall it seems better gone.
SRP - Govedo13 - 05-04-2012
' Wrote:SRP's are gone and good riddance! It's impossible to maintain fairness in such a systemActually it is possible and it is damn simple to maintain fairness- check my post with the 3 options. About the cronyism you are right.
I also agree about Pancakes and the ID restrictions- this is the main reason I could use SRP for example.
SRP - Mímir - 05-04-2012
Nono, I don't want to fight and I think you misunderstood me. I am not saying something or the other is "more RP" and whatnot - if you are RP'ing a Liberty Navy-person, your gun will most likely be doing some of the talking if you run in to Rheinland's military. If you are RP'ing a trader, guns probably wont play much of a role. Etc.
I object to the notion that Chatting=RP and shooting=PVP - it's one-dimensional and convoluted and for most roles in this space shooter game this delineation makes no sense whatsoever. BUT if the OP wanted to create a purely chatting character, the nerf won't play a role, and I know this works for some.
So in short: We agree.
EDIT: @Govedo, I did read the suggestions, but what you are proposing is not really SRP's in the "old way", so to speak. I agree to option 1 & 2, but in my view this more closely resemble the current system than the old SRP system. The problem arises whenever something has to be processed and cleared by someone before being allowed - we can't have an SRP system that hinges on what is ultimately personal preferences (true objectivity in complex social settings is an illusion and so on), without opening a flank to those who would say this and this admin is biased or this and this group gets everything they ask for. Plus a large part of the server population would feel they are playing a different game than the "special ones" - and might find that the "special ones" have certain powerful ship/weapon combinations that pawns all.
SRP - lw'nafh - 05-04-2012
' Wrote:Nono, I don't want to fight and I think you misunderstood me. I am not saying something or the other is "more RP" and whatnot - if you are RP'ing a Liberty Navy-person, your gun will most likely be doing some of the talking if you run in to Rheinland's military. If you are RP'ing a trader, guns probably wont play much of a role. Etc.Oh, okay, then I did misunderstand you. I'm more for the balance. Characters who shoot when they need to and talk when they want to.
I object to the notion that Chatting=RP and shooting=PVP - it's one-dimensional and convoluted and for most roles in this space shooter game this delineation makes no sense whatsoever. BUT if the OP wanted to create a purely chatting character, the nerf won't play a role, and I know this works for some.
So in short: We agree.
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> I realised I posted the wrong thing in the wrong thread