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"Defense of Leeds" - Jetro Willems - 08-19-2012
Ehm... Right now (in fact, not by lore), Gallic "invasion" looks very... Sluggish. Do you seriously want to "slow down the Gallic invaders as much as possible" ?
"Defense of Leeds" - Rodent - 08-19-2012
' Wrote:Thats what I am trying to prevent or to show there is still a chance. We may lose Leeds with its current status but if we do some fleet shiftings and reinforcements the chances for victory would increase.
Thanks for the oppinions so far.
p.s: Between I almost forgot...Dundee is an empty system and Stirling's Great Fleet is just sitting there. There is nothing to lose by giving away Dundee but its fleet may reinforce Leeds even more. Leeds will be protected by the combined powers of 5 fleets instead of 2 and half (ronins). In even more desperate scenario we can request ArkRoyal's FLeet from Newcastle to come as well, leaving Newcastle protected from Yamaguchi and Grimbsy.
Let me explain why this is a bad idea.
I suppose you know of the Rhienland-Liberty war? That is a classic example of how a war shouldn't be played out in game. It's gotten *very* stale. Even a minor movement like the Westfalen changing hands created so much commotion for the duration it was implemented.
Wars need to be fast moving if people are to remain interested. You fortify Leeds and draw the battle out there for another mod version, people will get bored. Gallia vs Bretonia is supposed to be epically one sided.
Draw up a plan for epic battles in Leeds, but let the system fall. Leave wrecks and fields behind.
"Defense of Leeds" - Aingar - 08-19-2012
' Wrote:p.s: Between I almost forgot...Dundee is an empty system and Stirling's Great Fleet is just sitting there. There is nothing to lose by giving away Dundee but its fleet may reinforce Leeds even more. Leeds will be protected by the combined powers of 5 fleets instead of 2 and half (ronins). In even more desperate scenario we can request ArkRoyal's FLeet from Newcastle to come as well, leaving Newcastle protected from Yamaguchi and Grimbsy.
Dundee isn't important? It blocks the GRN from creating a backdoor into Newcastle. If GRN is aware of the T-31 - Newcastle connection, they propably don't use it because both entry and exit point are in dense ice fields, but dundee connection is much closer to main supply lines in Edinburgh, and is a bit more passable, given that only exit point lands in semi-dense asteroid field.
Stirling battlegroup also keep pressure on GRN supply lines, that are already stretched wide, so in my opinion, giving up dundee is a really bad idea.
"Defense of Leeds" - FallenKnight - 08-19-2012
' Wrote:Draw up a plan for epic battles in Leeds, but let the system fall. Leave wrecks and fields behind.Nobody knows what will happen in 4.87. There is but one problem in Lore - If leeds fall, Bretonia will fall. New London dont stand a chance like Leeds which was fortified during two wars. The thing is, we better lose all our forces in Leeds while we still have a slight chance to win than keeping some of them spread around and then do last stand at NL.
There is another way to change the battlefield and give more attention to Gallic system - push back. The combined forces of all defenders and groups supporting Bretonia to push away the Gallic invaders from Tau-31 and Edinburgh, forcing them to retreat to Orkney. It may sound crazy but in that way, sooner or later Bretonia and the Council may strike Gallia with a force and organise something there for the players - to explore and fight in Gallic space leading to something new.
I dont know what plans the devs have for Bretonia but so far it looks like they really want it to fall.
"Defense of Leeds" - Rodent - 08-19-2012
' Wrote:Nobody knows what will happen in 4.87. There is but one problem in Lore - If leeds fall, Bretonia will fall. New London dont stand a chance like Leeds which was fortified during two wars. The thing is, we better lose all our forces in Leeds while we still have a slight chance to win than keeping some of them spread around and then do last stand at NL.
There is another way to change the battlefield and give more attention to Gallic system - push back. The combined forces of all defenders and groups supporting Bretonia to push away the Gallic invaders from Tau-31 and Edinburgh, forcing them to retreat to Orkney. It may sound crazy but in that way, sooner or later Bretonia and the Council may strike Gallia with a force and organise something there for the players - to explore and fight in Gallic space leading to something new.
I dont know what plans the devs have for Bretonia but so far it looks like they really want it to fall.
Bretonia is stated to fall. Fortifying leeds for another mod version will just stall and delay development of the storyline in all honesty. You can fortify it IRP, but I don't believe that is going to make a lot of difference, and when Leeds does crumple, you'll have no fleet left.
Pushing back should be near-impossible for Bretonia, gassed as it is. They're barely *holding* ground, if they advance the Gallics will eat them up.
"Defense of Leeds" - Aingar - 08-19-2012
As much as I don't want Bretonia to fall, the leeds is pretty much screwed. Enemy has higher morale, and numerical superiority.
Strategically-wise, both forces even out, Leeds is bunkered down giving defenders advantage, but Gallics are attacking on two fronts.
If we talk allies, well, CR barely has any noticeable military left, I guess they're on similar level as Exiles now, Council? Not sure but I guess they are at similar position to the previous two, maybe a bit stronger. Liberty reinforcements are a matter of discussion, but overall I doubt they would send more than five battleships.
Which sums up to the point that Bretonia forces are worth a bit more than all of it's allies combined, and that entire 'allied' force is still worth less than 40% of GRN forces, at least cap-wise.
Then again, we don't have entire GRN navy knocking on the doors, it's just a part of it, some must protect supply lines, some other stay at the Core.
Which leaves us at a very, very long war of attrition, where every vessel counts.
Add to this the fact that Bretonia economy is collapsing, while Gallia gained T-23 resouces for itself, and the war shifts in favor of GRN.
So yeah, chances for successful push-back anytime soon is somewhere between zero and none.
"Defense of Leeds" - Silmathien - 08-19-2012
To be honest; Gallia should've rolled over Bretonia Months ago. I mean the lore speaks about numbers and technology advancements of Gallic forces, so they could fight all the houses at once. And yet they're not even able to defeat Bretonia? I don't know what i should expect here. It's like a war between America and Cuba.
"Defense of Leeds" - Psymple - 08-19-2012
Let Bretonia fall, I wanna see the Gallics pushing from one side and the lolsairs on the other...
Then I wanna see the Clusterfrakk when they meet in the middle of New London... xD
"Defense of Leeds" - Lennox - 08-19-2012
Drop Leeds. Let Gallia steamroll it. That's how it should go, ye. Another battlefield will be created by devastating Leeds, so I don't see much of an issue here.
"Defense of Leeds" - Miranda - 08-19-2012
' Wrote:I think you've missed Friday's storyline submissions about a month or so.
Thats a good point. Everything is set in stone by now.