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To be or not to be? - Dusty Lens - 05-29-2008
' Wrote:wait, why does a ship both ID'd and Tagged as a Xeno need to go through Alaska when:
1) they have nothing there.
2) he's already set up.
To get an upgrade to his ship Swiss. He was moving from one to the next.
To be or not to be? - Thexare - 05-29-2008
So you want the guy to go through Rheinland in a starblazer (getting shot down by the Unioners probably, or the Hessians, or the Rheinland Millitary, or the... *continues for a while*), or through the Cambridge-Omega-5-Omega-41-Omicron Theta route, getting killed by Hessians or Corsairs in O-5, and if he survives passing right by Cadiz Base, getting gradually destroyed by radiation and Corsairs in O-41, swarms of BHG Hammerheads in Omi-Theta... of course, Alaska's got all those Navy, BHG, and Nomad NPCs, so I can't see that being particularly safe, but it's shorter anyway.
Seconding Vero. If someone's setting up or trying to get a new ship that's far from their normal operating area, just let them pass so they can enjoy the game.
' Wrote:wait, why does a ship both ID'd and Tagged as a Xeno need to go through Alaska when:Getting an Eagle from Omicron Theta.
1) they have nothing there.
2) he's already set up.
To be or not to be? - Zavier - 05-29-2008
Because he was upgrading to a Bomber...??
EDIT: Oh hell, I type slow...That was in answer to Swiss' post.
To be or not to be? - Apex - 05-29-2008
' Wrote:So didnt somebody say this was all a game and that everyone should be trying to have a good time together, whether allies or enemies?
Okay the following is how I play. Im not saying you should play the same way but here it is for what its worth:
As soon as I see a PM or a system message //ship setup, please ignore that character ceases to exist for me. If the guy is looking to set up his ship and take a shortcut to get there, why mess with him? Hes not RPing right now anyway.
Hes not going to have a good time if I prevent him from getting his ship into his chosen RP setup. Im not going to have a good time hearing him whining about what a jerk I was.
Should I mess with him because someone else messed with me that way last week?
I dont think so.
I think of it like Go fix your ship then come back and well RP an encounter when were both ready.
Just try to remember that youre both here to have fun.
Or if it makes you feel better just be a jerk to everyone.
A warning about that though: people eventually stop showing up to play with you when you do that.
The act wasnt a eye for an eye act, it was an act justified by the facts the rule receiting and information given to me thru play at haveing been trying to do the same thing as he was proposeing he was doing. Thats where that's going adrift. And personnaly I dont feel like a jerk. Is there a forum posting elsewhere on these forums I've missed ? Is there an exception to the rules memo somewhere ? I mean it woulda greatly helped me earlier on. I didnt come here whineing when it was happening to me have people I met in the game banter to that person in personal chat about the unfairness of the act, I sucked it up, wiped the blood from my nose and made it happen anyways, because however unfair it felt, I beleived within the rhealm of the rules and the basis of being an RP server, that just was how it is.
To be or not to be? - Capt. Henry Morgan - 05-29-2008
I was getting my new bomber to match my rank, and I spent all my credits to do it. To finish setting up my new ship, I just needed to go to Connecticut to get a fresh supply of credits so I could get things rolling again. To me, setting up means going to get your stuff, then when you have it, getting back to a proper RP base, from which the RP begins again. So, yes, I had my equipment already, but I still wasn't done setting up. As for the tag/id being Xeno, that was because I'd been using the character already and just upgraded the ship.
As it happens, several people I ran across left me alone after I told them I was setting up. Including Edward Morris, who seems to have an unnatural taste for Xeno on his dinner plate. As a point of fact, the only one who gave me any trouble was you and your buddy. And even he left me alone the second time around.
To be or not to be? - Apex - 05-29-2008
' Wrote:So you want the guy to go through Rheinland in a starblazer (getting shot down by the Unioners probably, or the Hessians, or the Rheinland Millitary, or the... *continues for a while*), or through the Cambridge-Omega-5-Omega-41-Omicron Theta route, getting killed by Hessians or Corsairs in O-5, and if he survives passing right by Cadiz Base, getting gradually destroyed by radiation and Corsairs in O-41, swarms of BHG Hammerheads in Omi-Theta... of course, Alaska's got all those Navy, BHG, and Nomad NPCs, so I can't see that being particularly safe, but it's shorter anyway.
Seconding Vero. If someone's setting up or trying to get a new ship that's far from their normal operating area, just let them pass so they can enjoy the game.
Getting an Eagle from Omicron Theta.
XA come to New York all the time, didnt know it was outta there normal operation area.
To be or not to be? - Heartless - 05-29-2008
oh right, plus the Taiidan is in Delta too!
Got it, sorry for that.
I think we need a "character set up ID", pretty sure it's been proposed, but the person carrying it would not be allowed to fire, get shot at, or even talk in chat, we wouldn't have this problem...
And actually, a while ago the tag on one of my Bs| got seriously messed up and I actually had to go through Libetry an places saying:
"//fixing rep, please ingore me *activating imaginary cloaking device*"
Thanks for not shooting me then fellow players, sorry about that too.
Well anyways, in this case the Xeno should just have been allowed to hurry, get his new ship and come back as fast as possible, maybe keeping the LPI or whoever saw him up to date to make sure he wasn't lying or something.
To be or not to be? - Thexare - 05-29-2008
' Wrote:XA come to New York all the time, didnt know it was outta there normal operation area.New York isn't. Omicron Theta, on the other hand? Yeah. Very far outside their normal operation area.
To be or not to be? - Dusty Lens - 05-29-2008
' Wrote:*words*
I remember that actually. You had a molly/rogue tag or something equally horrible. Blasted pain really.
' Wrote:New York isn't. Omicron Theta, on the other hand? Yeah. Very far outside their normal operation area.
We're working on that though. PAX IMPERIA.
To be or not to be? - Unseelie - 05-29-2008
' Wrote:I dunno, suppose the more you play and learn, the better you can deal with situations as they unfold, for the most part not haveing been given the same curtousy on several characters, maybe makes it hard for me to give the same. When I tried to explain things, I was only greeted with rule quotes, proper RP manerism's and that they where only being in character, that getting equipment or fixing your IFF wasnt thier problem, threats and or death. Oddly though, I made it happen and it wasnt on a silver platter. Giving easy travel , so you can upgrade your ship, get better weapons or so you dont have to fight for what you are inevitably later gonna turn against the people your asking safe passage from ? Dunno, sounds nuts to me.
Theres often more ways then one to get somewhere, especially if it involves passing thru hostile territory though for some factions, such as this case just about everywhere would have been hostile. In a way I understand the guys frustration, been there done that kinda thing, but again no one showed me the same, they actually taught me to do the very thing I did. And if this is a general exception to the rules a unwritten " Gentlemans code", I think it could lead to massive misuseage for safe travels to get what you want.
Right, and if they had gone the long way around, they would have had to tell even more people they were only setting up. They have, by taken the shorter path, minimized the impact of their necessary oorp travel.
He is, of course, going through the zone 21. But, I'm assuming he removed himself from the rp, which means that he shouldn't have existed to you, much as the admins are not part of the RP.
I ask you if you enjoyed the experience of not being given the courtesy(correct spelling)?
If you did, then that would explain why you so adamantly defend that way of doing things. If you did not, I fail to understand why, after we tell you that it is nonstandard and simply mean, you continue to defend that way of doing it. You are, after a fashion, demanding that all characters being set up be treated as if they were in RP. That demand goes much further than you seem to understand. It would have to become part of every high ranking Xeno's life story, for example, to travel peacefully through the homelands of nations they hate, and buy ships in those lands, from those people, who certainly would not sell them. We give the Xenos, and many others, the courtesy of not including that tidbit into their life story, just the same as we claim that some of our characters have never been to Manhattan.
And of course, any honor code can easily lead to massive misuse, but it is such of the nature of an honor code to believe that people will not. Thats the whole point of an honor code.