+- Discovery Gaming Community (https://discoverygc.com/forums)
+-- Forum: Discovery General (https://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=3)
+--- Forum: Discovery RP 24/7 General Discussions (https://discoverygc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?fid=23)
+--- Thread: New Nomad RP (/showthread.php?tid=95307)
RE: New Nomad RP - SMGSterlin - 03-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 03:16 AM)Arcylian Wrote: it's not a set in stone way you have to speak as a nomad, you can mold it and form it to what your comfortable with.Which, if you don't mind me adding, you don't even have to use think-speak if you don't want to.
In actuality, the best experience and encounter I've ever had with a Nomad player involved almost absolutely NO think-speak. It was more or less the same type of RP you would see in a well done Comm Channel post. This was like 2 years ago.
RE: New Nomad RP - Treewyrm - 03-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 03:09 AM)SMGSterlin Wrote: My motive behind this is to simply encourage some new form of RP for the Nomads, and bring some new life into (what seems to me) a very stale faction. I would love to see some Nomad ID'd player come up to me and say to me "Hello human, this one requires your thoughts to be synced with the mindshare for the advancement of all "Nomads". Will you submit willfully or shall this one harvest with force?" Something like that would absolutely MAKE my day.And how would that be new? You're just directly copying Hanar speech, I think here at Discovery we're a little more refined not to make a carbon copy from another sci-fi universe. You know that, I know that, because we surely need more Vorlon here. But alright, let's assume what you're suggesting is genuinely new. What you are suggesting is plain spoken english, which nomad communication is not, since it's not even an aural form, it's not a voice, there is no sound, it's only in your head if you're the one on receiving end. But alright, what would it be then? Are you telling they should send digital audio transmissions to humans? They'll try to mess with your mind, perceptions and visual trickery - it's more natural to them rather than to use human communications, because that would mean hacking into electronic systems, all that mess with sending digital audio, encryption layers and so forth. Because, you see, it's not just about what you say - it's also about how you convey it, the underlying roleplay mechanics of it. Elaborate on that and on mechanics of such roleplay. Though I'll remind that infested humans with human ships are normally perfectly capable of regular audio communications.
It seems to me that people are afraid of change or something new, which is a very sad thing.
While you say I'm wrong about my assumption that the gist is accessibility I would note that plain spoken english and it's Hanar-ized flavor, is obviously much easier and certainly more accessible.
(03-10-2013, 03:13 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: I gotta ask whos the moron that invented that nomad speech, intelligent but can't use proper english, thats stupidity not creativity ( i hope that doesn't offend ). QQI'd be one of those morons then, thank you very much. The reason why it's not plain english has been explained many many times before, and you can educate yourself by reading this thread, for example. Protip: the garbled mess are the fractions of thoughts that human gets in the end - nomads think one way, humans other way, some terms exist for both and some don't, it's a barrier of minds that are alien to each other. Some Nomads are better at conveying their thoughts to humans, others not so and most don't. What natural for them isn't natural for humans. Personally I see it as an interesting experiment, different to common humanoid aliens that somehow speak normal english, a common staple of many sci-fi settings. Pretty sure Vorlons in Babylon 5 could speak a plain english, yet their speech was odd, riddled with metaphors, ambiguity and quite cryptic, but that's also what gave them unique identity.
RE: New Nomad RP - Alley - 03-10-2013
I can only agree with most of what Treewyrm said in this thread.
The way nomads communicate is fine and shouldn't be changed. On the other hand, it's not too hard to notice if you're with someone that's good at roleplay/english or not. It's then up to the nomad to adjust the complexity of the speech so it's easier to understand if the guy isn't capable of understanding "difficult" nomspeech.
The main problem of the K'Hara is that it's a faction crippled by inactive people that will spend their time voicing their opinion but once you ask them to actually log because the faction is about to get it's status revoked oh magic nobody's there. When Huggie was the leader, we had his wife log to help us make some activity. It shows you how unreliable the K'Hara members were when it gets to such point.
I sincerely hope some cleaning has been done by the new leadership. Huggie was way too nice and never got around it.
Thankfully, the request for an open nomad ID has been accepted by the admins. So if it means /l1 or cyrillic nomads, then honestly whatever. It won't be different from any other guy that doesn't speak an inch of english on whatever ship but at least it will generate activity.
RE: New Nomad RP - SMGSterlin - 03-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 03:30 AM)Treewyrm Wrote: And how would that be new? You're just directly copying Hanar speech, I think here at Discovery we're a little more refined not to make a carbon copy from another sci-fi universe. You know that, I know that, because we surely need more Vorlon here. But alright, let's assume what you're suggesting is genuinely new. What you are suggesting is plain spoken english, which nomad communication is not, since it's not even an aural form, it's not a voice, there is no sound, it's only in your head if you're the one on receiving end. But alright, what would it be then? Are you telling they should send digital audio transmissions to humans? They'll try to mess with your mind, perceptions and visual trickery - it's more natural to them rather than to use human communications, because that would mean hacking into electronic systems, all that mess with sending digital audio, encryption layers and so forth. Because, you see, it's not just about what you say - it's also about how you convey it, the underlying roleplay mechanics of it. Elaborate on that and on mechanics of such roleplay. Though I'll remind that infested humans with human ships are normally perfectly capable of regular audio communications.
While you say I'm wrong about my assumption that the gist is accessibility I would note that plain spoken english and it's Hanar-ized flavor, is obviously much easier and certainly more accessible.
Nomads project thoughts and feelings into the minds of their human targets directly. Nomads are a much more intelligent form of life, able to do things beyond conception for humans. Now, granted this, don't you think the Nomads are smart enough to AT LEAST project their thoughts and meanings in a more relateable way to such a dumb and under-developed life form such as a human?
Sure, Nomads are intelligent beyond imagine, but they can't do basic communication, with a basic dialect that they are heavily far beyond in evolution? I mean come on, you know that sounds illogical and doesn't make sense.
No one has ever made it a law that Nomads HAVE to RP -THIS- way, and they can't change from that.
I don't see the reason why everyone is all "new type of RP for Nomads? NO U! NOMADS CAN'T CHANGE THEIR RP, THEY HAVE TO STICK TO THE TEMPLATE AND STATUS QUO!" If someone wants to try something new, let them. Doesn't fit in with the lore? Fine then, there's a strange bit of mutation in one of the nomads which causes it to interact differently than the rest of the hive.
It seems like people are using the excuse of "lore" as a way to powergame and control the RP of others. I mean, yes, lore is important, but having fun and letting people be creative and have fun is MORE important.
RE: New Nomad RP - Treewyrm - 03-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 04:06 AM)SMGSterlin Wrote: Nomads project thoughts and feelings into the minds of their human targets directly. Nomads are a much more intelligent form of life, able to do things beyond conception for humans. Now, granted this, don't you think the Nomads are smart enough to AT LEAST project their thoughts and meanings in a more relateable way to such a dumb and under-developed life form such as a human?
Sure, Nomads are intelligent beyond imagine, but they can't do basic communication, with a basic dialect that they are heavily far beyond in evolution? I mean come on, you know that sounds illogical and doesn't make sense.
Firstly why do you even need that trolly exaggeration? They're not DK, and Nomads have their own set advantages and disadvantages, but for the sake of argument let's go with that too. Humans, superior intelligent life form on planet Earth, and yet can't quite clearly convey their thoughts to the rest of living beings. Heck we sometimes have difficulty understanding each other with all those misunderstandings and whatnot! Following your argument wouldn't humans be capable of 'downgrading' themselves to level they could communicate better to animals without noticeable information loss and misunderstanding between? So many similarities already there, have been exposed to each other for long time and I still can't quite talk to my cat to have a full and meaningful conversations. Am I dumb or what? So you see, it's not as simple as that, minds are tricky things like that. But to say Nomads are incapable at all - well they have those infesting worms, so here is your version that can scale back, better yet designed to do just that, so talk to them if you want plain english. Alternatively let the nomad draw you into a vision where they can form hallucinations and personas that could communicate to you with with somewhat regular speech, a bit odd but nonetheless. The choice is really yours, but you keep pretending that it ain't there.
RE: New Nomad RP - Crackpunch - 03-10-2013
Couldn't noms just learn from them incubi chaps and then replicate binary radio signals to produce words for humans to understand?
RE: New Nomad RP - SMGSterlin - 03-10-2013
(03-10-2013, 04:36 AM)Treewyrm Wrote: Firstly why do you even need that trolly exaggeration? They're not DK, and Nomads have their own set advantages and disadvantages, but for the sake of argument let's go with that too. Humans, superior intelligent life form on planet Earth, and yet can't quite clearly convey their thoughts to the rest of living beings. Heck we sometimes have difficulty understanding each other with all those misunderstandings and whatnot! Following your argument wouldn't humans be capable of 'downgrading' themselves to level they could communicate better to animals without noticeable information loss and misunderstanding between? So many similarities already there, have been exposed to each other for long time and I still can't quite talk to my cat to have a full and meaningful conversations. Am I dumb or what? So you see, it's not as simple as that, minds are tricky things like that. But to say Nomads are incapable at all - well they have those infesting worms, so here is your version that can scale back, better yet designed to do just that, so talk to them if you want plain english. Alternatively let the nomad draw you into a vision where they can form hallucinations and personas that could communicate to you with with somewhat regular speech, a bit odd but nonetheless. The choice is really yours, but you keep pretending that it ain't there.Actually, Humans are quite good at communicating with animals. Nearly every pet owner has trained their pet to understand what certain things mean.
Now, you're going to use an argument similar to "exactly, we TRAIN them, and make them understand CERTAIN things, we can't communicate to them fully as with other humans."
True, but humans are evolved enough inRP to understand better than a cat or a dog, and as such, a more understandable form of communication is viable. And if this doesn't work for you...
(03-10-2013, 04:42 AM)Crackpunch Wrote: Couldn't noms just learn from them incubi chaps and then replicate binary radio signals to produce words for humans to understand?
Perfectly inRP explanation and reasoning. +1
RE: New Nomad RP - Agmen of Eladesor - 03-10-2013
So what I'm seeing from this is that Sterlin wants to change one of the fundamental ways a faction that he's NOT a member of plays - because he doesn't want to play with that faction because it requires him to utilize his brain and think about what's being said.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. No? Didn't think so.
RE: New Nomad RP - The Banger Grim - 03-10-2013
I feel the need to point out that while it may be easy for a human to communicate with a domestic animal. it's not so easy to communicate with a feral animal, which humans are, in comparison
RE: New Nomad RP - dexben - 03-10-2013
I see plenty of opinions from you Sterlin. Not many from anyone else past one line agreements with the odd thing you say. As far as i can see you're actual thinking is " i don't like it, i can't be bothered with it, it bugs me so lets change for something i don't have to use my brain to Role Play with one."
God if it bothers you that much *** 'ours' seeks ~knowledge~ .. 'dark minded one' share -understanding- (?) *** > SMGSterlin : Oh not another nomad .. Time to die. Really is it that hard, not like noms ain't used to that.