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RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Jack_Henderson - 07-17-2016
Oh wow. I totally missed that "the list" was published.
Sorry, but:
There are a few names on it that show just too clearly that "being a pain in the ass to the staff" was the reason to ban.
In my opinion, critizising staff is not a crime. It's their job to be critizised. What can be done (and should be done) is a reminder that critizism needs to be worded appropriately. However, a 6 month ban can never be the consequence. Never. It's the job of the staff to be professional about it.
The "red line" for a ban has to be:
If you are toxic for the players, if you harm the community - then you should be punished/removed. The goal should be protection of the community from bullies, from people who actually harm other players. Show me where Thyrzul was mean to other players. I bet his sanction folder is nearly non-existent, nor will there be noteworthy forum posts that paint him as a problem.
Summed up: Being a vocal critic against staff cannot be a reason to ban people.
Yes, we should work on re-establishing more respect in the way we communicate. But: Actions like these are not really useful in a vicious circle of escalation.
Finally unban those that you only banned because they critizised the staff. Give them a warning about improving their ways of voicing their grievances in a civil and socially acceptable way. And, on the other side, promise to also listen to civil criticism early enough and take action if necessary.
Keep those banned that harm the normal player with their trolly, bully, harrassing attitude. The size of their sanction folder and the quality of the crimes in there will make a distinction easy. Perhaps even look at the names dropped from the ban list because there are quite some on that extended list that make sense.
The line between the people named in that "vote to ban" list can easily be drawn as I explained.
Just do it.
I am pretty sure people will understand the difference because I am sure that all veteran players can immediately can pin down the difference between people who are just annoying to staff and players who are harmful to the community.
This needs to come to a conclusion.
So, better to end it now, than to drag things out even longer.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Croft - 07-17-2016
Constructive critisism is helpful and indeed quite useful, sadly most critisism is usually just opinion presented as fact.
E.g. "I don't agree with these bans, they are outside the defined ruleset and are open to wild interpretation. I would suggest clearly defined reasons for each ban to be posted."
vs
"These bans are stupid, the admins are just banning people they don't like. They're just a bunch of power mad egotists!"
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Quetz - 07-17-2016
It's saddening to see it continues further and further without any resolve. The development of the mod is stalled because of it. Dang, it's the only mod with decent playerbase nowadays, afaik. Please don't make the complexity of this issue grows big enough to be a final nail for this mod. The mistakes from both sides would barely make the victor earn anything, in the end.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Wesker - 07-17-2016
(07-17-2016, 10:41 AM)Internity Wrote:(07-17-2016, 02:18 AM)Wesker Wrote:(07-17-2016, 01:40 AM)Internity Wrote: Traxit, people who think like you, have destroyed half of this community and many have left. Playing here for years I have more experience than you and I know what i am talking about. I also saw how 'dedicated' are these devs. If you would be so dedicated to this mod and game you would not go on strike.
You're Literaly dumber than black widow at times
Traxit doesn't think In a way that hurts people. He plays the game like anyone else he's harmless and doesn't make people ragequit. Check your facts before you post. The devs have done more for this mod than you could ever dream of doing. Mr "tommy vengeance" restocking 20 times in a fight than complaining about how the enemy ganked you when you started off with 30 guardians combating 4 Sabres.
Please learn a thing a two about someone before you go and judge them. Thank you.
First, I can reload how many times I want because the rules allow me to return to a fight reloaded with ammunition.
Second I'm never complaining as of late , getting used to how ganking is part of the life here in 2016.
Third, neither you or Traxit know me so therefor do not judge me either.
I am not going to waste even more precious time arguing with people like you two. If you don't know how to respect an opinion you don't talk to me. By the time this thread was made and now - 17 07 2016, a lot of work could've been done to this mod upgrade if you didn't waste precious time arguing with every X and Y guy around who has his own opinion and needs to be respected.
Yes I know you clearly based of your attitude ingame and here on the forums making completely false/shitty comments towards others. If you think ganking and restocking in fights and then crying when you lose is ok, than your even more dumb than I thought.
I can respect someone's opinion if it has legitimate factual evidence behind it. You're just going about shouting "ban all the devs cuz they do nothing!!!!11" when in reality they do a lot more than most of the people on this server. The same goes when you call someone who does nothing more than play the game "someone who makes people ragequit". Both of these comments are just blind critizism. Learn a thing or two before you suggest banning the only people capable of pvp balancing.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Jack_Henderson - 07-17-2016
Wesker, please stop discussing such irrelevant things like on-server actions here.
The bans are not about restocking, ganking, whatever.
This is just drawing attention away from the core of the problem.
Don't allow that guy to derail you so easily.
Let's keep focussing on the valid parts.
So we might finally get a solution and stop this inacceptable status quo.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Psyentific - 07-18-2016
Wow, if I knew Wesker was so easy to troll I'd have started earlier. Jesus man, how many image macros do I need to post before "do not reply to the ( Nice try, restrain your language and remember the forums rules. -Moderation Team) and self-contradictory nonsense" gets through?
I don't think there's anything productive to be gained from this thread until the Devs break their silence. Hopefully, that would be to refine their terms now that sufficient information is present. Though, for all we know, there could already be some talking going on behind closed doors.
(07-17-2016, 01:00 PM)Quetz Wrote: It's saddening to see it continues further and further without any resolve. The development of the mod is stalled because of it. Dang, it's the only mod with decent playerbase nowadays, afaik. Please don't make the complexity of this issue grows big enough to be a final nail for this mod. The mistakes from both sides would barely make the victor earn anything, in the end.
For better or worse, this exact community is the last place to play Freelancer. This See Above- MT easily has the potential to kill the mod, and by extension the last Freelancer community. I hope that all involved parties are well aware of this, especially when drastic actions are involved.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Blackvertigo1 - 07-18-2016
Since this involves my tech I'll simply state that the bickering between random players and the dev team should be little importance if there'd actually be a civil discussion between an open-ended grievance between admins, moderators, story writers (not he dev's part) and the development branch.
... Not the other way around.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Psyentific - 07-18-2016
Well right now we're getting nothing but silence. The admins have elaborated on their reasoning, but other than that I don't think there's anything.
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Jack_Henderson - 07-18-2016
(07-18-2016, 02:47 AM)Psyentific Wrote: Well right now we're getting nothing but silence. The admins have elaborated on their reasoning, but other than that I don't think there's anything.
The Admins have to deliver.
Simple as that.
Until they break their silence and present their decision, the situation is unchanged.
Therefore, there is no reason for the opposition to move until there is a proposal for solution by the staff.
Once that is given, the community can react (in the best case by calling off strikes/opposition/...), depending fully on the acceptablity of the decision.
Jack
RE: Official Notice - Development Team Strike - Garrett Jax - 07-18-2016
The part that's confusing for me is that a couple of the names were up for moderator. It appears the Council became official again. Nice things were happening for some of you. What the heck did you all do to become harmful to server gameplay all of a sudden so as to warrant a ban, or at least a vote?