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Re-Working - Veygaar - 10-17-2011
I like where this is going.
I'd like to make some statments. Please just read them and know this is our stance.
1)Using CSV's to spy on OSI was wrong.
2)Some of our reps were messed up, hopefully now they have all been fixed. If you see someone with a messed up rep, tell me.
3)If you see a Pirate ID'd Renegade trying to Merc, please let me know, and perhaps file a sanction. Unless that Pirate ID'd ship was fired upon first, or has made a demand, he has no right to attack you. (as for Jabberwocky, he was engaged first, THEN he attacked. It is within Role Play for a Pirate to defend his Merc counterparts, but we waited until the rules allowed to do so.)
4)We believe it is perfectly fine to use Gallic tech in Gamma and other places in Sirius. If you do not agree with us, then just let us agree to disagree.
If you have feedback concerning something other than things we've done in the PAST. Please feel free to leave it.
Thank you
Re-Working - Dane Summers - 10-17-2011
' Wrote:Surprisingly the first person I thought of. 8-|
:ylove:
Re-Working - Dab - 10-17-2011
' Wrote:4)We believe it is perfectly fine to use Gallic tech in Gamma and other places in Sirius. If you do not agree with us, then just let us agree to disagree.It's not a matter of belief. The rules are very very clear about where you can use Gallic tech. It can't go outside Gallia ZoI, that's a concrete part of the tech use rules. Any ships with gallic tech are restricted to Gallia, Taus, and Omicron Alpha.
Re-Working - Pancakes - 10-17-2011
' Wrote:It's not a matter of belief. The rules are very very clear about where you can use Gallic tech. It can't go outside Gallia ZoI, that's a concrete part of the tech use rules. Any ships with gallic tech are restricted to Gallia, Taus, and Omicron Alpha.
Not merc ID'ed, as far as I can tell from reading in the rules/tech chart.
Re-Working - Dab - 10-17-2011
' Wrote:Not merc ID'ed, as far as I can tell from reading in the rules/tech chart.http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=1480950
https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&a...amp;output=html
Both state that any generic IDs using Gallic tech are restricted to gallic faction ZoIs. Even the Merc ID row says that on the spreadsheet. It's restricted to Gallic ZoI. If RR take Gallic tech to Gamma, they are blatantly violating the rules.
Re-Working - Daedric - 10-17-2011
Wow. Jesus. Blimey.
While there are some very valid points being brought up here, there also seems to be a ton of ooRP hate/dislike/bandwagon'n/call it what you will going on here. Doesn't reflect well on either side of the fence.
Regarding the use of Gallic technology outside of the Gallic factions ZoI - That update was for Gallic Civilian technology and you can easily see that reading both the thread Dab linked the the Tech Chart itself. The individual cells list restrictions that aren't covered by the color coding.
Gallic faction(s) technology used in conjunction with the Mercenary ID has no such restriction placed upon it. Same with the Pirate ID. Sure, you could interpret Zelot's post to mean all Gallic technology, but considering that the following is true:
1) Merc/Pirate ID never had the Must remain in Gallia clause in any of the Gallic faction(s) cells, then it could not have been changed to Must follow the same ZOI rules as Gallic Factions. Thus, part 3 of Zelot's update was only regarding those cells that had the Must remain in Gallia clause. Thus, part 3 does not apply to the Merc/Pirate ID using Gallic faction(s) technology.
or
2) Merc/Pirate ID had the clauses, but they were removed. Which would indicate that the administration is fine with those two IDs using Gallic faction(s) technology outside of the Gallic faction(s) ZoI.
or
3) Admin oversight that needs to be corrected.
In any case, the RR aren't currently breaking any rules. They are only breaking certain people's interpretation of the rules. As I know Zelot is aware that they use Gallic technology in Gamma and he hasn't spoken up here as an admin (none of the others have either), I'm going to assume that they are fine using Gallic faction(s) technology outside of the Gallic faction(s) ZoI.
Only other thing that caught my eye:
' Wrote:I offered you RP leverage, much like the Reavers did when they asked for 2 more Mamo's. (btw I am not complaining that they got tech and we didn't. Just using it as a argument that we DO put Rolel Play into our requests, more so than others at times. Whether is gets approved or not is not going to bother me.)
Caleb, don't try to bull**** people. We can all read the role play thread. You did not offer any leverage. You basically said; we already have your technology and we aren't giving that back. We do however want more and we'd be willing to sign a deal that allows you to take back the new stuff if we don't use it properly.
I've no issue with this, but it is rather silly role play. They asked for their technology back and you refused, yet you've the nerve to ask for more? I guess it fits with Rorry being insane though.
The only other thing I feel like mentioning is that how you think tech permissions work isn't how they work. If the tech permission isn't blanket granted to a tag, the the official faction must list the exact in game name of the ship who has a permission. In the case of the Reengages, that means listing every ship on your roster in their tech permission post and keeping that up to date. Otherwise, your members are open to sanction.
Kudos to seemingly taking the massive amount of negative feedback & bandwagon'n in a calm manner.
Re-Working - Veygaar - 10-17-2011
Dab I've spoken with the Admins on that matter. Pancakes is correct.
Re-Working - Stealthsultn - 10-20-2011
This has already been said, but I'm going to say it again. First off; I like a lot of the renegades and thier RP. However, one thing really frustrates me; your lack of tags.
-You use generic IDs
-You use naming conventions that are confusing, and not always followed as your sole means of ID
-You say this prevents metagaming; but you metagame others
-In the heat of battle its nigh impossible to separate you FL IFF'd fighters from other neutral targets (because you members don't always follow your naming).
As far as I am concerned; your not a faction unless you have a tag. I take your lack of tag to mean that your members do not have the pride to identify themselves as members of RR.
You are not covert ops; you are overt pirates. Being a faction and not having a tag is just simply not an option.
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Re-Working - SpaceTime - 10-21-2011
I accidentally checked your last bounty claim. And I would like to ask you to rep as hostile all your ships to IMG. It is against the rules to have IMG as neutral.
Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-21-2011
I'd also like to point out that one of your members tried to claim a bounty on a RoS....without an actual bounty.