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Re-Working - casero - 10-21-2011
' Wrote:I accidentally checked your last bounty claim. And I would like to ask you to rep as hostile all your ships to IMG. It is against the rules to have IMG as neutral.
' Wrote:I'd also like to point out that one of your members tried to claim a bounty on a RoS....without an actual bounty.
Guys, if it's a matter of one player doing it, PM's work better.
This is feedback for the whole group, not for the actions/mistakes of one of its members.
For what I see, this thread is being used to exponentiate all the little things that happen in ALL the factions from time to time. To the point that it looks like a personal campaign against the group, and personal campaigns at one point get ignored. At least that's how I see it. Because I don't see how your posts are any different than trial by forum.
Re-Working - Daedric - 10-21-2011
I think the point is that as a group, they're continuing to violate rules. As some people wish to resolve issues without involving the administration, I don't see anything wrong with bringing rule violations up here in an effort to get them to stop doing them.
Re-Working - casero - 10-21-2011
Then report them.
That's how it works. If you post here saying they broke the rules, that's trial by forum.
If they did, either PM them or Rule Violation Reports.
But that's not constructive feedback.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=110794&hl=
Gheis said it well.
Re-Working - Daedric - 10-21-2011
So what you are saying is trying to resolve something without involving the administration is bad? Hrm. Here I thought that, that was something that was requested by the administration. You know, talk to the other side before filing the report.
If merely saying that they are breaking the rules, then perhaps we should close all faction feed back threads as I've seen numerous trial by forums (using your definition) in them.
I feel it is constructive, you don't. It is a matter of opinion.
Edit: What Gytrash did was rage. The issue he is referring to could have been posted in a constructive manner. So linking to Gheis' statement doesn't prove anything that you've said. Merely that what Gytrash did was wrong.
Re-Working - casero - 10-21-2011
It's not a matter of opinion, you got Gheis saying that here: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=110794&hl=
Now, you think it's good to post rule violation reports on feedback threads?
I don't think that was requested by the administration.
You can talk to the other side by PM's without making it a TRIAL BY FORUM. Of course, it's just my opinion. Others like Dab, Stygian, Edran Vayrn, Darthbindo, (just naming those who are watching this thread right now) etc etc etc, will make their own opinion based on your rule violation report posted in a public forum.
Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-21-2011
part of the issue gytrash was talking about was the Renegades "takeover" of another person's tech grant for a renegade Corsair.
Now they are using it as part of the Renegade faction.
This issue has already previously been discussed in this thread.
As for trial by forum, the manner in which it is discussed is as important if not more important than the topic.
Constructive is telling what needs to be changed.
raeg is pure tbf.
Re-Working - SpaceTime - 10-21-2011
Why all this fuss is about? Am I on an anti-RR campaign or something?
I just noticed that issue and thought it was a good idea to inform Veygaar about it. Maybe pm could work as well, but that's why these threads exist, right? It is not my aim to make a trial by forum and I don't like being blamed for that too.
/thread
Re-Working - casero - 10-21-2011
' Wrote:Edit: What Gytrash did was rage. The issue he is referring to could have been posted in a constructive manner. So linking to Gheis' statement doesn't prove anything that you've said. Merely that what Gytrash did was wrong.
You know, you can say Gytrash was in rage, but I can say that Spacetime and Darthbindo are both in rage too, you know people can disguise their feelings on the internet.
If you are telling me that a trial by forum is based not in what is posted but how, then I think we have nothing else to talk about.
A trial by forum is making someone to look bad in public forum, doesn't matter how you express it. If you want to help them, use PMs, except for making the RR looks bad, I don't see how posting those things here help them at all.
Re-Working - Daedric - 10-21-2011
' Wrote:It's not a matter of opinion, you got Gheis saying that here: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...=110794&hl=
Now, you think it's good to post rule violation reports on feedback threads?
I don't think that was requested by the administration.
You can talk to the other side by PM's without making it a TRIAL BY FORUM. Of course, it's just my opinion. Others like Dab, Stygian, Edran Vayrn, Darthbindo, (just naming those who are watching this thread right now) etc etc etc, will make their own opinion based on your rule violation report posted in a public forum.
What is and isn't constructive feedback is a matter of opinion. Do try to understand what you read. I'm not referring to what Gytrash did. I'm referring to the posts by Bindo and Space that you quoted.
Rule violation reports include evidence. The posts you've quoted contain none. Thus they aren't rule violation reports in feedback threads.
Yes, people can chat via PMs, but as the faction has a history of this type of behavior of late people are posting things here as a means of recording them publicly.
Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-21-2011
' Wrote:A trial by forum is making someone to look bad in public forum, doesn't matter how you express it.If the simple fact of their actions make them look bad, it's their own bloody fault, not because of some trial by forum.
By your logic, clearly all sanctions are trial by forums, since they make those sanctioned look bad. All feedback is trial by forum, since it implies something is wrong with the reciever, therefore makes them look bad, and is trial by forum.