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Re-Working - Veygaar - 10-23-2011
That's a LIE. If you see otherwise tell me and file a sanction.
You think we're breaking rules, IM TELLING YOU, stop complaining about it and file a sanction.
' Wrote:I'd like to make some statments. Please just read them and know this is our stance.
1)Using CSV's to spy on OSI was wrong.
2)Some of our reps were messed up, hopefully now they have all been fixed. If you see someone with a messed up rep, tell me.
3)If you see a Pirate ID'd Renegade trying to Merc, please let me know, and perhaps file a sanction. Unless that Pirate ID'd ship was fired upon first, or has made a demand, he has no right to attack you. (as for Jabberwocky, he was engaged first, THEN he attacked. It is within Role Play for a Pirate to defend his Merc counterparts, but we waited until the rules allowed to do so.)
4)We believe it is perfectly fine to use Gallic tech in Gamma and other places in Sirius. If you do not agree with us, then just let us agree to disagree.
If you have feedback concerning something other than things we've done in the PAST. Please feel free to leave it.
Thank you
Please take note of part 4. Save your fingers some work, and instead of complain in here ever other day. File ONE sanction. Use our SS's from our bounty claims if you have to.
Re-Working - DarthBindo - 10-23-2011
Zelot has talked about it in this thread. I believe he was saying you shouldn't use it.
Re-Working - RAL - 10-23-2011
Quote:It is you who brought up the gallic tech issue a couple of post earlier, sir, not me. I only responded. I did not see any green text about that problem so until I do my opinion is that you are in fact breaking/ignoring the rules in the pursuit of blue texts. This is my feedback and I have every right to express it.
File a sanction. I think thats been made clear.
Quote:Old stuff is new stuff too but I would add another one: one of your ex-members told me (and a few other people, in a relatively large chat) that the same ship changes ID's several times a day in order to fit its needs, pirating or merc'ing. How do you comment on that?
Bull.
Second, two Id's are used in this faction. Swapping ID's? Please. All we have to do is swap accounts.
Now you are relying on hearsay.
Re-Working - Vito - 10-23-2011
' Wrote:Bull.
Second, two Id's are used in this faction. Swapping ID's? Please. All we have to do is swap accounts.
Now you are relying on hearsay.
I wasn't accusing you of anything, I just heard something disturbing and I asked you how do you comment on that
Mr. Veygaar, my aim is not to get you sanctioned. I told you, you're not that important.
Anyway, thank you for accepting my feedback with open hands and minds. I will be back whenever I fell I have something to say about your group
Edit: about your point 4, I do disagree and I think I have every right to do it. This game is not governed by skype talks, but by rules in admin green
Re-Working - Dane Summers - 10-23-2011
The primary point of Feedback threads is to discuss issues with Faction Leaders, so those responsible parties can fix those issues without having to involve admins over questionable gameplay behavior - it is there to help improve the quality of the faction.
Therefore, saying "File a sanction" is promoting the breakdown of feedback and the purpose for it. its showing a blatant disregard for the opinions and criticism of a community your a guest in - and overall, making this entire thread, and the effort of people to inform you of those issues, completely worthless.
Veygaar - fix your issues. Your main opponents and critics NOT filing sanctions is a courtesy to you. Try and remember that.
And just so I follow my own words...
Please stop invading CR's guard system whenever you feel like. Its rude.
Re-Working - casero - 10-23-2011
' Wrote:The primary point of Feedback threads is to discuss issues with Faction Leaders, so those responsible parties can fix those issues without having to involve admins over questionable gameplay behavior - it is there to help improve the quality of the faction.
Therefore, saying "File a sanction" is promoting the breakdown of feedback and the purpose for it. its showing a blatant disregard for the opinions and criticism of a community your a guest in - and overall, making this entire thread, and the effort of people to inform you of those issues, completely worthless.
Veygaar - fix your issues. Your main opponents and critics NOT filing sanctions is a courtesy to you. Try and remember that.
And just so I follow my own words...
Please stop invading CR's guard system whenever you feel like. Its rude.
They are PART of the community, not guests, just the same as you, me or anyone in this forum and the server.
What I see is that Veygaar tried to work with all the feedback that so unbiasedly was given to him, but due to the repeated subjects, he finally said "File a sanction report", you can't believe that after pages and pages of posts and replies he just simply disregarded the feedback, it's what he said beating a dead horse. People has 1 opinion, he has a different, it's not going anywhere, let the admins decide. Simply as that.
Guard systems are part of the mod, as any other system is, you don't like them going in there? Shoot them down.
@Dab: Still constructive feedback? My "I told you" is coming soon.
Re-Working - RAL - 10-23-2011
' Wrote:The primary point of Feedback threads is to discuss issues with Faction Leaders, so those responsible parties can fix those issues without having to involve admins over questionable gameplay behavior - it is there to help improve the quality of the faction.
Therefore, saying "File a sanction" is promoting the breakdown of feedback and the purpose for it. its showing a blatant disregard for the opinions and criticism of a community your a guest in - and overall, making this entire thread, and the effort of people to inform you of those issues, completely worthless.
It has already been discussed.. and beat to death... and shot.. and then ran over with a semi truck. A stance has already been taken on the issue by Veygaar. Unless he decides otherwise, file a sanction is the only thing left to say, and it is our suggestion to you.
Furthermore, every post whether good or bad is viewed, reviewed, and appreciated. Dont expect something to change at the drop of a pen just because you say so. This feedback thread is to bring up issues in which we may or may not be recognizing, so feel free to bring up rule issues. But, this is still in the RP stories Feedback section, dont beat it to death when it does not involve Arrr Peee.
Quote:Please stop invading CR's guard system whenever you feel like. Its rude.
Invasion is a valid tactic. Space is dangerous.
Re-Working - Veygaar - 10-23-2011
' Wrote:Therefore, saying "File a sanction" is promoting the breakdown of feedback and the purpose for it. its showing a blatant disregard for the opinions and criticism of a community your a guest in - and overall, making this entire thread, and the effort of people to inform you of those issues, completely worthless.I am saying "file a sanction" because I have stated my stance on his opinion of our tech usage in Sirius. I have ALREADY responded to his feedback on that subject. BUT, they keep bringing it up AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. If I've ALREADY given my stance, and said I will stand by it, then do not complain for pages and pages. Go file the sanction.
Quote:People have 1 opinion, he has a different, it's not going anywhere, let the admins decide. Simple as that.Exactly
We have admitted to what we think of as wrong (2 of our mercs w/ neutral reps, using CSVs to spy) and we have changed/fixed those problems. Thing is, I still see them bringing these past issues up to tack against us and to say that our entire group is horrible at RP or completely OORP or abusive.
The one thing I have asked for them to agree to disagree (our tech usage range) they keep bringing up here. I have said that we don't agree with them, and I am starting to take their repeated up-bringing of this issue as just plain trolling. If they really wanted change they should have taken it to the admins LONG ago.
We are a large, quickly growing, and relatively new group. We're going to have issues. But 10 mins of bad interaction from one character here, or a incorrect rep there, doesn't make an entire group bad. It's called LITTLE issues, and they get resolved. But the people who keep bringing up all these things up (even info from months ago and tying them into the same sentence of some new small issue to make it look big) more than once or twice AFTER I have given my response are not trying to help anymore. Just make us look bad.
Re-Working - Reaver Company Inc. - 10-23-2011
' Wrote:They are PART of the community, not guests, just the same as you, me or anyone in this forum and the server.
What I see is that Veygaar tried to work with all the feedback that so unbiasedly was given to him, but due to the repeated subjects, he finally said "File a sanction report", you can't believe that after pages and pages of posts and replies he just simply disregarded the feedback, it's what he said beating a dead horse. People has 1 opinion, he has a different, it's not going anywhere, let the admins decide. Simply as that.
Guard systems are part of the mod, as any other system is, you don't like them going in there? Shoot them down.
@Dab: Still constructive feedback? My "I told you" is coming soon.
While me (Kaze here btw, cba to switch accounts, that drunk again, ye) had some.. bad taste, but even so, decent interactions (which i could say it was a lot better than some official factions) with the Rorry boys and him,
Guard Systems are free game.
One of the Mods that posted the 101st bounty offers a bonus for killing CR in their system, and us Reavers were known from time to time (when there was enough booze in our blood, true fact, last raid we had two drunk persons going "WOOOOOOOW" "I'm getting sick here." "Need another shot.") to raid O-52 (bow-out to SCRA for being awesome and commie like).
And ye. Veygaar is defending his creation, and after countless pages of negative/positive feedback.. No wonder the man decides to throw the "File a sanction plz.".
So don't give him a hard time for saying that.
If it was the Reavers, i would say the very same thing. If i was drunk as i am now. Which i am.
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Re-Working - Reaver Company Inc. - 10-23-2011
Ah ye. You have problems with tech after 3 pages of it being discussed? File a sanction plz.
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(don't mind me, i'm drunk)