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RE: Zoners - Pinko - 06-23-2013
(06-23-2013, 05:49 PM)Oorn Wrote:(06-23-2013, 05:46 PM)Dancing Lady Wrote: I'm not being sarcastic in the least, I'll have you know.In that case I would ask you to elaborate what "grinding RP" exactly means, so i can count differences.
Implying we're talking about military factions, they all require you to make a ridiculous ammount of message dumps to rank up, no matter how much/well actually you roleplay.
A lot of them also require you to take down X numbers of enemies in combat, etc.
RE: Zoners - Oorn - 06-23-2013
(06-23-2013, 05:53 PM)Dancing Lady Wrote: Implying we're talking about military factions, they all require you to make a ridiculous ammount of message dumps to rank up, no matter how much/well actually you roleplay.
A lot of them also require you to take down X numbers of enemies in combat, etc.
Oh, now I understand why /sarcasm shouldnt be there, some people actually spend X hours grinding forum/skype in order to get shiny taged caps. Its work no easier than trading. Indies shouldnt have it easy way
/sarcasm off
I have seen many officials doing total crap with their caps. As I have seen them bluntly ruining indy game. Right now they offer little in way of actually keeping RP standarts up. (aside from interfaction diplomacy, which is in most cases much more stupid than indy stuff. Brits vs Rheinland made so much sense, right? Or rheinland admirals contacting liberty faction about not shooting them in kusari)
RE: Zoners - GTB - 06-23-2013
So you saying no official military based faction players, such as BAF for instance. Are not allowed to join that faction and then buy a cap ship right away to use? Not so sure about that one, maybe once upon a time that was the case. As for official faction members not abusing their caps, I've seen tons doing it. That's a joke, they are no better than indie players at times.
Please... don't try and make out Indie players are inferior to official faction members. You're proving my point again what I said before about this shity attitude towards Indies.,
RE: Zoners - Oorn - 06-23-2013
(06-23-2013, 06:09 PM)GTB Wrote: So you saying no official military based faction players, such as BAF for instance. Are allowed to join that faction and then buy a cap ship right away to use? Not so sure about that one, maybe once upon a time that was the case. As for official faction members not abusing their caps, I've seen tons doing it. That's a joke, they are no better than indie players at times.
(09-09-2008, 04:37 AM)BAF Admiralty Board Wrote: 10. Bretonian ships and gear only. Codenamed Weapons Allowed. Anything larger than a Challenger requires clearance from command, and the rank of lieutenant commanderToo lazy to check others
RE: Zoners - Thyrzul - 06-23-2013
(06-23-2013, 05:20 PM)GTB Wrote: How do you think Indie players buy cap ships. We don't get the money given us for free, we still have to trade or mine, basically spending a lot of hours in-game earning cash to buy these ships - same as anybody else. But you seem to think, just because your part of an official faction. That we need your permission to fly them, lol
Just because I am part of an official faction, and as such, I am ready to uphold a higher standard of RP, which been said to be a responsibility of official factions. Indies not only lack such responsibility, but most of them are not even responsible for their own actions. Yet they can get caps. We have to put effort into RP, they don't. We get the caps, they do as well. That is what I find unfair.
(06-23-2013, 05:31 PM)Dancing Lady Wrote: I don't have the time to grind RP until I hit admiralhood in a faction.
You don't grind RP, you grind missions, trade routes or whatever else repetitive activity you can find for yourself. Want to get the toy? Work for it. Don't want to, or don't have the time? Why should get it for free? How come you don't have time to work for something, but you have time to enjoy what you didn't work for? They are way more other toys around requiring way less responsibility than flying a cap.
(06-23-2013, 05:41 PM)Oorn Wrote: However I'm quite interested in seeing what roleplay officials "grind" in order to get caps. And then compare it to indy way of getting caps. Counting differences could be quite fun.
EDIT: Damn, forgot /sarcasm
I think the best example I could provide is mine. I joined Council with Pierre late September in 2011, started as Aspirant, now being Colonel for a good while (command structure unchanged). Refused the rank of General en Chef as I find myself not suitable enough to lead a faction. I admit I did not follow the restrictions to 100%, had a Redemption when LaFlamme was Capitaine yet, roleplayed as being commanded by Commandant Jean DeLorraine, did not use it too often, few occasions until my next rankup, which didn't take long. Been roleplaying for a long time, lately mostly on forums, for reference I can offer you all what's on my feedback page, accessible from my sig.
Can you show me any indie with similar history of getting caps?
Oh, it seems people continue posting while I'm writing my wall of text.
Can you show me any indie with similar history of getting caps?
Oh, it seems people continue posting while I'm writing my wall of text.
(06-23-2013, 05:53 PM)Dancing Lady Wrote: Implying we're talking about military factions, they all require you to make a ridiculous ammount of message dumps to rank up, no matter how much/well actually you roleplay.
A lot of them also require you to take down X numbers of enemies in combat, etc.
That could go for the first few rankups, but I'd disagree with granting e.g. an upper Mid-command rank for like destroying 5 battleships from the enemy fleet.
(06-23-2013, 06:05 PM)Oorn Wrote: I have seen many officials doing total crap with their caps. As I have seen them bluntly ruining indy game. Right now they offer little in way of actually keeping RP standarts up. (aside from interfaction diplomacy, which is in most cases much more stupid than indy stuff. Brits vs Rheinland made so much sense, right? Or rheinland admirals contacting liberty faction about not shooting them in kusari)
Same can go for indies. I've witnessed once how a bunch of Council indies tried to roleplay a scenario already pre-defined among themselves, and while the idea was not that bad, they totally disregarded Liberty Laws, and by this, inRP they could easily put Liberty-Council relations at a great risk. Such things go both ways.
(06-23-2013, 06:09 PM)GTB Wrote: So you saying no official military based faction players, such as BAF for instance. Are not allowed to join that faction and then buy a cap ship right away to use? Not so sure about that one, maybe once upon a time that was the case. As for official faction members not abusing their caps, I've seen tons doing it. That's a joke, they are no better than indie players at times.
Please... don't try and make out Indie players are inferior to official faction members. You're proving my point again what I said before about this ***** attitude towards Indies.,
Crappy attitude or not, I've got my reasons to keep it up, and while I admit many Official factions could be better, I aim to do my best to uphold my ideas within the Council, even if it is frankly not helping how unpopular our faction is. That is what I alone can do.
If you are unhappy with how Official factions work, join them, rank up to High Command, (take over,) and shape the faction as you wish. Or make an unofficial one and challenge them.
If Official factions would control who get their caps, they would finally have power AND responsibility over those caps, and as such, admins would need to watch over less people (official faction leadership).
If you are unhappy with how Official factions work, join them, rank up to High Command, (take over,) and shape the faction as you wish. Or make an unofficial one and challenge them.
If Official factions would control who get their caps, they would finally have power AND responsibility over those caps, and as such, admins would need to watch over less people (official faction leadership).
RE: Zoners - Oorn - 06-23-2013
(06-23-2013, 06:30 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: LOTS OF STUFF
If Official factions would control who get their caps, they would finally have power AND responsibility over those caps, and as such, admins would need to watch over less people (official faction leadership).
I can belive that you are upholding high standard of RP in Council. But I have also seen numerous cases of other people from other factions doing blatant LOLWUTERY in-game. As I have seen official factions covering them afterwards and blaming other player for doing wrong. I have even seen indies FR5ed in the result of this. While your faction may not be such case, i definitely know several factions who will abuse such privelegies. Many factions now are like clans, people in them care litlte for RP, but rather hide behind it just to have LULZ.
RE: Zoners - Thyrzul - 06-23-2013
(06-23-2013, 06:52 PM)Oorn Wrote: I can belive that you are upholding high standard of RP in Council. But I have also seen numerous cases of other people from other factions doing blatant LOLWUTERY in-game. As I have seen official factions covering them afterwards and blaming other player for doing wrong. I have even seen indies FR5ed in the result of this. While your faction may not be such case, i definitely know several factions who will abuse such privelegies. Many factions now are like clans, people in them care litlte for RP, but rather hide behind it just to have LULZ.
Such incidents could mean the necessity of increased admin supervision as I can think of nobody else capable to keep an eye on official factions and being able to act if something is wrong.
RE: Zoners - Pinko - 06-23-2013
(06-23-2013, 06:30 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: -snip-
Because I've got a few jobs. I attend summer classes. My financial situation is grim at best. The few free hours I get being able to play games, I'd like to A) Not have it be another source of work/stress, b) know I'm not considered an asshat for flying an indie capital ship, because this is what I enjoy of the game.
I don't have days to devote to the game in-game. I'm not an asset to any factions, especially since I enjoy splitting my limited time between around 5 NPC factions that I enjoy the lore of, and that I wish to contribute to in my own way. I could be as much of a lolwut in a Bomber than I could be in a Battleship. It doesn't matter. I'm still part of the family that is the Discovery community in the end, not the single peon of a faction. Indie or Faction, we all contribute.
RE: Zoners - Oorn - 06-23-2013
(06-23-2013, 07:32 PM)Thyrzul Wrote:Such incidents could mean the necessity of increased admin supervision as I can think of nobody else capable to keep an eye on official factions and being able to act if something is wrong.
For what I have seen so far admins generally sit at the sidelines and (chump popcorn) wait for situation to resolve itself. Situation were they did something was Bret_X_Rheinland (lolwutery) conflict, and even there they only gave several bases to liberty/kusari after conflict already ended. It would be very nice if someone reminded me when admins did something meaningful in regards to official factions.
Still, we can only hope situtaion will (not) become better in the future.
RE: Zoners - Di'taraAlpha - 06-24-2013
Quote:Big angry zoner got angry and shot little AI - Then the [AI] ai's assisted.
That might possibly be due to the vast amount of metagamers disguising themselves in AI drones and cruisers to shoot the AI base and generally annoy the siege currently, and it's nearly impossible often to tell whose a genuine AI indie and who's a metagamer.
It's just one of the many byproducts of being in an area of space known as Omicron 74. Occasionally we do end up defending the wrong people.
You'd also be surprised how many times I've cruised up to an indie AI cruiser (on an AI tagged char) to greet them InRp and then immediately been blind engaged at point blank range. It's disappointing and means AI can't trust it's own indies. Arrgh.