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RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - NonSequitor - 02-25-2014
(02-25-2014, 01:15 PM)Mister_X Wrote: I have a feeling most of these "die hard Zoners" defending Zoner cap ship RP are just upset they won't be able to farm nomies in 99 and sell the remains or make and sell all that fancy PoB equipment.
In an ideal situation, you would have Core and Order "farming" Nomads in Zeta, Iota ja 99.
Of those two factions, only the Core would sell Nomad BS remains in the open market, and then only to those it deemed a safe party. At astronomical prices.
Making Nomad remains a component for cloaking devices was, with all respect, a mistake. It does not encourage anything approximating role play conventions.
As a result, I've seen Zoners Nephs and even Rheinland Turtles (2 days ago grouped up with an Order Geb and Osiris) farming for Nommies.
That said, a lot of dedicated, roleplaying Zoners are getting royally burned with this retconn. It's a shame, but it was probably inevitable. Fortunately, from a PvP perspective, bomber and cruiser swarms are more than a match for BSes. Long live the righteous gank.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Sath - 02-25-2014
(02-25-2014, 01:15 PM)Mister_X Wrote: I have a feeling most of these "die hard Zoners" defending Zoner cap ship RP are just upset they won't be able to farm nomies in 99 and sell the remains or make and sell all that fancy PoB equipment.
Oh cool,what next?
And I can say that all of these "Anti-Zoner" people just hit at Zoners because they dont gain a thing,nor lose a thing,if this change comes through.But they want all these to happen just because...personal hatred.Since why would you want to see a faction get rid of its assets and see the faction people scrape of their activity from this server,when you dont gain a thing at the same time.You got nothing to gain if the battleships are replaced by transports,but I recon,the server will suffer.Dont think I am saying this blatantly,or for the namesake.When it happens you will see yourself,then you can happily live,RP,traverse through systems all alone,in a near empty server,in the next couple of years.If these type of things which reduce the fun of the game continues.
Dont say that for the love of "RP" and for the loveof "lore".If those two were questioned now and then many people can point out thousands of loopholes in every lore.Just that they dont have the backing up of people who have the right to change the lore.And you are no saint,where you want to see the normal populace grow fruitful RP,and this is no parliament to debate on the slightest of issues for so long.And if you are so offended at the Zoner Nephilims who break RP,then why dont you speak your head off at the things going in New York,every damn day?If at all you want to question the RP capability of the server,NY is your first stop.
I can show many myself,but what is the use?If people dont have fun here,they will surely not be here.If the people want to use hell a lot of caps in NY,so be it.If you place restricitions on caps,particularly in Liberty,then you will see what the server population is,in a few days.If at all you spot a rare Nephilim in house space,apart from the factions,and if they do anything OORP,you have the right to report them.So is the case with every other cap.I dont know why you are offended so much,at things that people do,that is perfectly within the server rules but just out of lore.This is no damn book,where people have to read the damn lore of every damn faction and do damn things lorewise.If that was the case,you couldnt have seen this game cross 4.85,which many reckon,is one of the finest versions.
If you still speak lore related,old school things,I might have a link for you,take a good read at that.This is just a game,where people from all over the globe trot in to spend their time and have fun.Fun with some bounds in terms of server rules and other such stuff.Dont make it even more restricted by speaking everything lore wise,since,many people have answered things that you lore fathers have put forth.But what do you people do?I have personally explained every single thing you asked earlier,with the definition,that even a child would understand.And what did you do?You branded my reasoning as fairytale imagination.If that is the attitude with which you are going to respond to reasonable answers,then dont expect an ACTUAL answer for your queries.This is a general view of what an MMORPG should look like.Fun,being its essential gradient.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Mister_X - 02-25-2014
I am hardly "offended" by those and most certainly do not hate Zoners. Quite the contrary, I personally find Zoners to be one of the Factions with a biggest potential for diversity on their RP. Sadly many "hard core Zoners" have managed to cross the line despite this wide range of RP possibilities. Oh and I do have a Neph, so I will also be losing something, but if it will be for the best of the server, I'm OK with that, if not, well you'll get to say "I told you so" to the devs.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Coin - 02-25-2014
i still cannot see why replacing the caps with transports is beneficial to the activity on the mod. Why upset such a large playerbase for no conceivable benefit? put a technerf on the indy id's if the indies are at fault. why punish the players who have been here for a goodly chunk of time?
Jinx? can you explain the reasoning behind replacing the caps in a TL-DR format? i havent seen any of the previous anouncements/call for interaction+interpretation, and i've been floating around the omicrons shooting RPing with zoners for years.
why this change? are you replacing models as a gallery for your talents? if so, cool. but why transports? the omicrons suffer from activity-loss enough, why strip them even further?
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Highland Laddie - 02-25-2014
Quote: ... the omicrons suffer from activity-loss enough, why strip them even further?
Are the Zoner caps the only thing keeping the Omicrons active? If so...maybe there's more to that problem.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Thyrzul - 02-25-2014
(02-25-2014, 03:14 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: Bought a Hel because the zoner factions started metagaming to protect their capital ships, but that's beside the point.
Funny, didn't you ask the Contari Lance for Zoner tech after you didn't get that from Zoners themselves?
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Zed26 - 02-25-2014
Quote:it is not yet clear if they will only do transport weapons - or if they can mount hybrid weapons ( like transport + GB or so )As someone who was always interested in Zoner RP, seeing their take on the Salvager (with less emphasis on mining and more on hauling/passenger transport) doesn't sound like a bad change. If the ships are as durable as they sound with increased cargo holds, but reduced firepower, I look forward to being able to do some deep-space hauling and meet with other players along the way. Are big guns really necessary for good RP? As many have said, if a large portion of Zoner activity is comprised of sitting and chatting in expensive capital ships that see very little use, perhaps it's time to reassess. If anything, won't these unique battletransports give more people incentive to fly Zoners because of their hybrid role, utility, affordability(?), and ability to actually dock at lanes/gates/jump holes comfortably?
Also, if I recall correctly, wasn't a great deal of the last year's Zoner drama (including [ZA]) - in Liberty and elsewhere - about the Zoners' sovereign right to transport colonists and goods in capital ships through house space? Well Hallelujah and praise the Devs, your prayers have been answered!
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Trogdor - 02-25-2014
No. No. No. No. No.
[Expletive] No.
Where the hell was this poll? I never saw it.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Kazinsal - 02-25-2014
(02-25-2014, 06:03 PM)Coin Wrote: Jinx? can you explain the reasoning behind replacing the caps in a TL-DR format?
Lore, population numbers, and the general individualism and fragmentation of zoners and their splinter groups logically prevents serious work to be done on the design and construction of large capital warships.
(02-25-2014, 07:25 PM)Thyrzul Wrote: Funny, didn't you ask the Contari Lance for Zoner tech after you didn't get that from Zoners themselves?
(02-25-2014, 03:14 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: because the zoner factions started metagaming to protect their capital shipsAs an aside, Corvo's not being nerfed. Unless you want it to be, in which case I can make that happen for you.
RE: Information about upcoming Zoner changes - Nexus Ark - 02-25-2014
(02-25-2014, 03:14 AM)Kazinsal Wrote: because the zoner factions started metagaming to protect their capital ships
Could I see some evidence of this please ? I am very intrigued to find out whose done that.