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The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Kaze Dagon - 03-01-2010
' Wrote:No, mate, you don't have to type mid-battle to call backup. Something called 'delayed response time', sound familiar? Yeah, your friends might not immediately respond to your call for backup. We're not saying you necessarily did, but it looks that way.
*Shakes head and rubs temples* Very well then.. then i refer to you to the post your leader didn't refuted. 15-20 mins of rp. And yet no one appeared. He was the one that initiated the battle, not i, so has you see, i wouldn't had the time to call for reiforcements. Even more if they came from Java. Since a great part of the iRP discussion was about the CR and Java docking rights.
' Wrote:Third day in a row of unsporting behavior, you say?
Is this by any chance referring to the fact that CR, along with my freelancer, swarmed the Privateer gunship that was camping Java the other day?
I do hope not. Camping Java and harassing the IMG is rather unsporting in itself.
And i do think camping Java in that GB, arvg, is more of a bad sport. I didn't wanted to bring that up, but Thexare called it, and now i'm here using it. Harassing traders and miners is the common thuggish way of pirates. Especially when the base in question isn't shooting at us.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Prysin - 03-01-2010
' Wrote:Well, the way -I- see it, as one of the people that's been a victim of the CR's *cough* substandard interaction with the Privateers, is it's not that one isolated event, but all of them together. When haven't we come across one CR ship, tried to RP then get the rather obvious signs of alt-tabbing... Guess what comes next? A swarm, not to mention what you pulled in Tau 29 against a fighter and two gunships, half your active fleet after us? No thanks. Panzer said to us, when I asked him what he was on about... "XD i just wanted to see your 'wtf outnumbered' faces", so yeah, shape up.... You're getting out of hand.
That's all I have to say.
This is true.
IMG, especially the miners, alt-tab the second they see something red/white on scanners. Colonials is no better. But hey, atleast we know that skype is working fine, no problems there.
Sometimes, i wish, that you would try to RP your way out. Trust me, its not so funny sitting in your miner, having a pirate there. KNOWING that you had a fair chance to RP your way outta the mess. But when that =CR= swarm comes into system it ruins it.
Its NOT the first time i have been persecuted by pirates because I was allegedly asking for support.
If supporting, be more discrete. ok, thanks.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Politus - 03-01-2010
' Wrote:You really have no clue what you guys are doing here, do you?
You see nothing wrong in your behaviour, nor in the attitudes of your people. Even your own.
I can, clearly, see that the CR is a hopless cause.
I am sorry I even bothered to interact with you.
My disappoint in you is compounded by this.
Good luck to you.
Imma make this simple. I am the friend of these people. When I started out on the server, it was these people that I joined up with and spent my time. When you act condescending and tell us that we're bad, that we have bad attitudes, I know that I'd bristle, simply because of the stunningly brilliant lack of tact involved.
When you senselessly insult my close friend -- and, in some ways, mentor -- and say that his/her/its "behavior" is "indicative of the attitude" that we allegedly have, of course I'll call you out on it.
When, in general, people come in and act as you have, y'all only further cement this alleged attitude. You only give us cause to say "Bugger off, we don't care what you think!" I do my damnedest to keep people reasonable on my side, but people coming in and having the GALL to think that they can judge us, being disappointed as if they're above us somehow, it only results in mutual alienation.
You sow the seeds of anger and hate with the way that you accuse us of things. It's as simple as that. We don't bristle without cause.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - arvg - 03-01-2010
Feedback thread is exactly that.
Judgement on your actions, your abilities, or lack there of.
Opinions are an entitlement.
I can see that finally something said has penetrated those heads of yours.
There is a problem here, with the group you are in. You have rows of people standing up, some of them well respected members of this community.
All of them are saying: "You need to do better"
Instead your rant, rail and complain that you are the victims. You try to turn issues about on the person filing the complaint in some desperate attempt to save face. You selectively choose to ignore certain events, facts, and even go so far as to say they are irrelevant.
They are not.
Your faction breaks rules, daily.
Your faction behaves in an unsportsmanlike manner, daily.
Your faction has angered and annoyed others in the region.
Tell me something Politus, are you proud of this?
Seriously, it is shameful and disappointing. And I have the right to condescend to you in this matter, I have earned that right through hard work and fair play.
I await you to do the same.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - mwerte - 03-01-2010
Let me try and offer a 'neutral' perspective.
Many players, prominent, improminant, whatever, will interact with the CR, find it unpleasant to do so, come here to try and help correct the problem so that future encounters can be pleasant, and find that they are told such rubbish as "Well, would be better if all Outcasts were 2-day knobs, cuz then they'd be easier to kill and marginalize on the forums."
This is not proper behavior of an official faction. This is the behavior of people who are willingly disregarding everything that is said about them that is not 'oh you are wonderful.' Official factions are held to higher standards then indies. Act that way.
Right now, there are more people posting "the CR are doing this that or the other thing WRONG" then in the usual Phantom/Keeper thread. That alone should tell you something. The fact that a greater RANGE of people are complaining here then in the average Phantom/Keeper thread should tell you about 5 different things.
And then they all get told some variation of "you did it wrong, so we did it wrong". That's not how it works. You have people coming here and saying:
' Wrote:I am sorry I even bothered to interact with you.and you're content with that. Meaning you're just here to have your own fun no matter who you blow up. Take a step back, re-read the rules, re read a few of the pinned threads around here, heck, re-read some RP stories. There are some fairly good ones that nobody pays attention to. Then make a Bretonian or Rheinland unlawful. A lot of the CR players are very very one-dimensional, and it's not healthy.
At the end of the day, the goal is not how many cardi smugglers you stop, or how many Outcasts you turn into Blue Messages. At the end of the day, both sides should walk away from their computer thinking "yeah, that's a fun game and a good server, I'd like to be there more often, and interact with people there more tomorrow." So far, the CR have not shown that quality, that empathy. Take a look at it from the other side. In fact, deliberatly lose a fight. It's not about the blue messages, despite when those silly Phantoms think. (Yes that was a joke)
My 'biases' or characters.
A Hoghosha who loves pirating you, and when he gets caught he's royally screwed because it's a transport vs 3 bombers and 4 fighters. Via Yarr's eyes I have personally witnessed the whole "stall while I call for help on skype thing" and it makes it no fun for me, or the miners later because I come back and start shooting first so that if the CR do come, I can kersplode the miner, and still get away.
An IMG miner, a Bretonian Gunboat that has never met the CR, a Kusari Gunboat, a Junker, that has never been caught by the CR, but who has witnessed the pack mentality of you guys. An indy pirate, has not met the CR. Wilde and RepEx and a few Libertonian characters. A Corsair who hasn't seen the CR. A Wilde who's blown up 2 ore transports.
And last but most importantly, the perspective of a community member, who has watched the community raise concerns with the CR, and who has seen the CR leadership respond inappropriately at best, arrogant and egotistical at worst, to those concerns. Over the past 2 weeks the comments in various chats, some of which have nothing to do with the Taus, going along the lines of "yeah, the CR are really imploding/getting on my nerves" have skyrocketed off the charts. It's a sad thing, as a community member, I'm starting to doubt if the CR as a whole are fit for official faction status. I don't want to think that, but the arrogance, the rule breaking, the rule bending, and the complete disregard for other players here has made me start to think that.
-mwerte
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Politus - 03-01-2010
' Wrote:I can see that finally something said has penetrated those heads of yours.
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Seriously, it is shameful and disappointing. And I have the right to condescend to you in this matter, I have earned that right through hard work and fair play.
I await you to do the same.
You don't have the right to condescend to anyone. No one does. If you think you do, you can sod off. I don't care if it's a feedback thread, condescension shouldn't be tolerated as it's inflammatory. I do my best to make sure that we don't break rules, that we're sportsmanlike, and that we don't step on toes.
However, it's hard to get people to be reasonable when you say stuff like the former. IT just pisses people off. My apologies if I get pissed off when you act like I'm worth less than you.
I understand that people in CR mess up. HOWEVER, it's not likely to be a more pleasant experience for you if you act like arrogant whenever you're unhappy with the actions of my friends. In fact, it becomes progressively less likely that my comrades will change if you're condescending. Every action causes an equal and opposite reaction. Saying that you have the RIGHT to condescend to me, to be arrogant, when I myself have done nothing wrong? That kind of holier-than-thou nonsense, no matter how justified, only pisses people off. You don't get stubborn people to change their ways by spitting on them.
I work hard and I play fair. I have multiple characters, successful characters, outside of CR that were more or less built off of my own hard work. You have no right to condescend to me. None.
All I want you to do is to not "condescend" to the feedback thread. Give feedback, and I'll do my best to work with it despite my relative lack of influence in the CR hierarchy. For example, the issue around the 44 hole, I talked to Tabris on Skype along with another CR member and I think that the issue was resolved, at least with him, fairly well.
If you come to the table thinking "I'm better than you. I am condescending to talk to you. You are under me because you're bad people and are hopeless." when giving feedback, then of course it backfires. You'd have to be high on cardamine to think otherwise.
I don't see how you're missing the counter-productivity that is inherent in being a condescending prat. It's preposterous, and you shouldn't be giving feedback if you're going to act like that. I do my best to be reasonable, but again, I don't respond to condescension.
@mwerte and Spazzy, got it, I'll try to work on it with CR. A lot of valid points. Hopefully people will listen. Probably... not. XD
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Prysin - 03-01-2010
let me do some signing of Mwertes statement:
/signed
EDIT:
Biggest issue in CR: people who think that killing 1 sabre with 3 wingmen helping them makes them leet.
Colonial "gank" fighting skill, is good.
Your good at following orders and concetrating fire.
Individually, theres few of you that are truly skilled.
Something for you to think about:
Outcasts (not lolcasts), the ones that have RP, are individualists. And unlike corsairs, most outcasts (ignoring groups like XTF/101st/SOB) are skilled pilots in themselves, but unused to group combat and orders. This means, while you, in a pack, would take down any solo fighter, you would (if luck is ignored), have severe problems with a chain of 1 on 1 fights.
I have fought you 1 on 1 before, in 37. I was still a rookie pilot at that time, wasnt any good with a fighter, but even then i could keep up fairly well with (i think it was baal or dutch).
If you want to improve on anything thats NOT RP or attitude related, then for gods sake. LEARN TO FIGHT SOLO.
Its annoying that 90% of my encounters with you involves fighting against 2-9 colonials.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - lw'nafh - 03-01-2010
' Wrote:@mwerte and Spazzy, got it, I'll try to work on it with CR. A lot of valid points. Hopefully people will listen. Probably... not. XDYou do realise, everything me and arvg has said is pretty much what they summarized, yet you ignore it anyway?
Funny how that works.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - Politus - 03-01-2010
' Wrote:You do realise, everything me and arvg has said is pretty much what they summarized, yet you ignore it anyway?
Funny how that works.
Sorry, missed your posts. It's early, early morning. arvg... I read his posts, and I respond as I see them. I think that Spazzy and Mwerte went about the summarizing much better than arvg did, though.
Apologies again, should get some sleep.
The Colonial Republic Feedback Thread - the real dutch - 03-01-2010
if you all dislike the =cr= so much, ignore us then, esspecially the miners working for the =cr=
pirates are worse then the =cr= when we talk about RP they give you little of no time to respond and pay up, most of the pirates are outcasts