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RE: Bastilled ships - Potter Harry - 07-31-2013
(07-31-2013, 12:50 PM)narchlojentak Wrote: Then you go with "okay, maybe that shooting of Corsair with Corsair IDed ship was little wrong.Noone said this was wrong. That particular [TBH] ship actually opened fire first on the Legates sieging the AI base in Kappa. It was a case of self defense, which is allowed regardless of who is shooting you.
(07-31-2013, 12:50 PM)narchlojentak Wrote: But you want more OORP destroying? What about these two bases I´m mentioning below...There was only one base shot somewhat of roleplay, and you already mentioned it. Luckily, with the flexibility of roleplay, it was sufficiently made in-roleplay, to anyone except the station owners' and their friends' liking, which is pretty typical.
(07-31-2013, 12:50 PM)narchlojentak Wrote: No ZOI violations? Heh, and since when Rishiri or Kyushu belong to Corsair ZOI where they can attack? Why do you think Corsairs are tolerated in Kusari? To allow them to destroy bases here like you did in those two systems?
Kusari, as a sector, is included in the Corsair's ZoI, along with the Sigmas, Rheinland and Bretonia as sector examples. If the Administration team doesn't want to make this a very vague topic, then they should add it on the server list or include specific ZoIs in a faction's ID, which is what 4.87 will have, so no worries there.
I doubt you would've even known that the Corsair ZoI had apparent limitations when it comes to Kusari systems, and neither would I have known, if it wasn't for this thread.
RE: Bastilled ships - Govedo13 - 07-31-2013
It is really funny how much this community changed only for 1 year.
When the PoBs were introduced people QQed because they were too hard to kill, now the bases have powerful working defense platforms- something that they lacked back in time.
Compare this with the current QQ of lazy PoB owners and third party casual QQers- all with enough time to QQ but no time to supply their bases.The difference is huge and it would become worse- the new 4.87 trader buffs and pirate nerfs and similar stuff.
In the effort to satisfy the most vocal parts of the community the devs and admins are constantly reducing the risk for loosing something by playing the game,without this risk the game loses its purpose.
At the end Crybabies and problem children like Doj said would stay only.
Also kudos to Spazz and Doj for making the group and go public under the fire of vocal QQers- I as said before have done the same thing but never would go public with it- I cannot accept and deal that people would QQ all over my head for playing my game. The hilarious sanction and the hilarious replies in this topic and the feedback topic is worth it for sure- they expose how many illogical folks are part of this community.
Why you people play with other people at all if you cannot handle that their actions would affect your game play not only in positive but also in negative way? There are a lot of decent single player games and other multilayer PvE games where PvP does not exist, there is no PvB as well. Quite big part of human nature is that we are aggressive and abusive to our kind, if you does not want real stuff in your game then play games that does not have real based actions in them.
If the admins and devs wanted the bases not to be killable it is doable may be you should start QQing in this direction? Ban Piracy? Ban PvP? What would be next thing to whine about?
RE: Bastilled ships - Lythrilux - 07-31-2013
(07-31-2013, 01:00 PM)Potter Harry Wrote:(07-31-2013, 12:50 PM)narchlojentak Wrote: Then you go with "okay, maybe that shooting of Corsair with Corsair IDed ship was little wrong.Noone said this was wrong. That particular [TBH] ship actually opened fire first on the Legates sieging the AI base in Kappa. It was a case of self defense, which is allowed regardless of who is shooting you.
Wrong, the TBH member was being diplomatic. When he lost his connection one of you went in to kill him whilst his shields were down a d he could do nothing.
RE: Bastilled ships - Luke. - 07-31-2013
(07-31-2013, 12:25 PM)Potter Harry Wrote:(07-31-2013, 10:20 AM)MiniStryke Wrote: Plus, you complain about the server having very hollow RP (only needing an ID that's hostile to another) yet I see you presenting no alternative for a better system. I'll answer that one though.
Just because someone criticizes something, doesn't mean they become responsible of improving it. You're as much responsible as him for it, in fact, as is everyone else in the community.
Don't take my words out of context. Below I mentioned why he wouldn't be able to.
Let me make this clear just so my side is settled:
It's not what the Basshunters are doing that annoys me. PoB's are there to be supplied and possibly attacked. I attempted to help save Memphis as I felt that it honestly could've been. I was going to RP out the reason I came in but alas, it was too late. I don't see why the unlawful or general opposition would be interested in taking out several bases but whatever, i'll ignore that.
The problem I have is the intentions you have behind it. You may say this is presumptive but when you post in the Comms Channel taunting the owners and put your actions in such words that suggest you're fed up of Disco and just want to piss people off, that's just kind of sad. If i'm wrong, tell me but explain why as it'll probably answer a lot of questions for the more naive section of members.
Too much Q_Q over a group of people, I agree. It'll probably pass eventually and people will just get on with their gaming but it's giving way to many more people venting other issues and blaming it on the BH.
RE: Bastilled ships - Agmen of Eladesor - 07-31-2013
In continuing to read through this ongoing drama, the following was what had happened:
Quote:[2013.07.30. 23:13:42] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attacked liberty bases on LR ships.
[2013.07.30. 23:13:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attacked outcast bases on Corsairs.
[2013.07.30. 23:13:55] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attack kusari ships on Blood Dragons.
Then there would be no reason for any whining.
It's already well established by lore who the enemies of the LR, the Corsairs, and the Blood Dragons are. Yes, you've accomplished something by building a player base with your friends. But those bases are going to have enemies - and it makes perfect RP sense for Corsairs to go shoot up Outcast bases (just using that as an example).
However ...
If you have someone attacking the base that is NOT part of the faction that is obviously the enemy of the builder of the base, then you're looking not at RP-justified PVP, you're looking at PVP abuse.
That there are certain people out there who apparently have more time, energy, and apparently inexhaustible credits to have all these caps isn't in and of itself the issue. That they're going around as a group and killing bases with caps that the enemies of the bases isn't the issue, either. That they apparently derive pleasure from destroying the hard work of others isn't even the issue - it's quite okay for them to be sick and mental bastards.
That they manage to do this and have ships involved that are NOT the enemies of the base - that's the issue because THAT'S what breaks the rules. Space is dangerous. All these guys are doing is representing that - so long as they follow the rules.
RE: Bastilled ships - Flash™ - 07-31-2013
Goodness, where has this thread came to. I only see people who don't like Spazzy, is who had a base, and friends who helped with it. I don't hate Spazzy, hes cool, and he did do a good thing. Every since the PoBs came, Ive been getting more lag. Killing bases is supposed to happen. If your lazy to log and defend/supply it, dont go QQing on forums it died the next day. If they use enemies to kill other PoBs, its perfectly fine, the sanction they got, I laughed at it. Laughed because that would be the only way to remove them from killing bases. If you got your base destroyed to pieces, don't QQ about it, its your fault it got killed, not Spazzy.
When they shot at the AI Base. How was that bad? And if they got enagaged first by all the failgates and lolaicruises, Spazzy had the right to defend himself against the attackers. But in the end, when it comes to sanctions, everything turns around and everyone blames Spazzy. <<---This is what I heard, don't blame me if Im wrong.
Killing PoBs is a good thing, if you gonna build one, supply one, if you don't wanna supply it, don't build one and QQ after. Whoever is mad at Spazzy, shouldn't be, and look at what you did not Spazzy.
RE: Bastilled ships - titanbot - 07-31-2013
(07-31-2013, 09:34 AM)Jack_Henderson Wrote: This is a much bigger issue and the lolwut actions around base destructions helped to make it show. What is needed is a set of rules of "How/where/how not to to build them", and "How to attack/destroy" them.
So, if you are acting like a lolwut at the moment, and with all the Bass Hunter crap happening every day, don't be surprised to find your lovely cap bastilled.
If you do not know what I am talking, you are invited to the next "Defend a base" party. The amount of lolwutism and stupidity you can find there is... close to infinite.
The attitude and the bad interaction on a rather big scale has forced Admins to react. So they reacted. That's the first results.
This is the most cretinous answer I could have read, and basically insulted me because I am unjustly punished for something I didn't do. In the civilized world, you investigate first - then you punish.
If you punish, then you realized you didn't punish the culprit, but other random people - you are to pay up for your mistakes in order to cover the expenses (material or otherwise).
Now, back to our original issue. If all the sanctions are handed over because admins "react" - in your fatally flawed concept - it means that they don't do anything unless you piss them off hard enough, right?
PS: Stop using the word "lolwut" in the wrong context. Hereis a link that will (hopefully) make it clearer for you.
RE: Bastilled ships - aakopa - 07-31-2013
(07-31-2013, 10:10 AM)sindroms Wrote: Was contacted by one of the [AI] chaps yesterday and had a bit of a convo with him. This is pretty much what I would like to post about the BA more or less.Why you kill core 1 bases witch are under supplying and deployed few mins ago?
Code:[2013.07.30. 21:33:53] hasslhoff: What's wrong with you trolls?
[2013.07.30. 21:34:09] *** Spazzy (Sindroms) has shared contact details with hasslhoff. ***
[2013.07.30. 22:46:20] hasslhoff: (facepalm)
[2013.07.30. 23:07:39] Spazzy (Sindroms): What?
[2013.07.30. 23:08:10] hasslhoff: your group is so stupid
[2013.07.30. 23:08:27] Spazzy (Sindroms): Okay?
[2013.07.30. 23:08:53] hasslhoff: why da hell are you doing that ooRP *****?
[2013.07.30. 23:09:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): What OORP *****?
[2013.07.30. 23:11:21] hasslhoff: about the bass hunters
[2013.07.30. 23:11:40] Spazzy (Sindroms): Which aspect about a group of players killing bases is OORP exactly?
[2013.07.30. 23:11:51] Spazzy (Sindroms): Or did you think that bases are untouchable?
[2013.07.30. 23:12:17] hasslhoff: nope
[2013.07.30. 23:12:26] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well then, where do you see the OORP bit?
[2013.07.30. 23:12:34 | Edited 23:12:53] hasslhoff: but there still should be a RP reason to shoot one
[2013.07.30. 23:13:18] Spazzy (Sindroms): Yes, there is a reason. Just like you make a pirate character for oorp reasons, you attack bases in oorp reasons. You just need the RP JUSTIFICATION to RP one. Everything else is completely dependent on the player's innitiatives, not the character.
[2013.07.30. 23:13:42] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attacked liberty bases on LR ships.
[2013.07.30. 23:13:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attacked outcast bases on Corsairs.
[2013.07.30. 23:13:55] Spazzy (Sindroms): We attack kusari ships on Blood Dragons.
[2013.07.30. 23:13:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Bases rather.
[2013.07.30. 23:14:06] Spazzy (Sindroms): So where is the OORP aspect?
[2013.07.30. 23:14:17] hasslhoff: seriously?
[2013.07.30. 23:14:35] Spazzy (Sindroms): Okay, do you have a pirate or a lawful character?
[2013.07.30. 23:14:48] Spazzy (Sindroms): I am going to just make an example.
[2013.07.30. 23:14:56] hasslhoff: nope
[2013.07.30. 23:15:05] hasslhoff: i just have AI's
[2013.07.30. 23:15:16] Spazzy (Sindroms): Okay, which factions are hostile to AIs?
[2013.07.30. 23:15:31] Spazzy (Sindroms): For the sake of the example.
[2013.07.30. 23:15:39] hasslhoff: GMG was
[2013.07.30. 23:16:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): Okay, so if you see a GMG on your AI. Is it not OORP innitiative to attack it?
[2013.07.30. 23:16:13] Spazzy (Sindroms): You have an RP justification to attack a GMG.
[2013.07.30. 23:16:20] Spazzy (Sindroms): But it is YOU who makes the decision to do that.
[2013.07.30. 23:16:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): Aka, OORP decision.
[2013.07.30. 23:16:40] hasslhoff: sure but you haven't done so at all while attacking bases
[2013.07.30. 23:16:49] hasslhoff: best example is ours
[2013.07.30. 23:17:21] Spazzy (Sindroms): (wait) I attacked yours, because an [AI] tagged player cruiser attacked my legate, while I was trying to buy guns, because my guard rep wasn't good enough to buy them from the corsair guard system.
[2013.07.30. 23:17:36] Spazzy (Sindroms): So I rounded up a few friends and shot your base.
[2013.07.30. 23:17:44] Spazzy (Sindroms): We killed it, never attacked the AI again.
[2013.07.30. 23:18:05] Spazzy (Sindroms): My character got attacked by an AI. There is your RP reason.
[2013.07.30. 23:18:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): It was an OORP decision, however, to attack your base.
[2013.07.30. 23:20:07] hasslhoff: both times?
[2013.07.30. 23:20:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): Both?
[2013.07.30. 23:20:28] Spazzy (Sindroms): I personally shot the one, which was next to the planet.
[2013.07.30. 23:20:30] Spazzy (Sindroms): The core 1 one
[2013.07.30. 23:21:00] hasslhoff: as i remember both bases were destroyed by you guys
[2013.07.30. 23:21:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): http://i.imgur.com/U3cdcNb.jpg
[2013.07.30. 23:21:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): This is the one I shot
[2013.07.30. 23:22:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): Was this the first or the second base?
[2013.07.30. 23:23:00] hasslhoff: second
[2013.07.30. 23:23:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): Then I have no idea what happened with the first or why it was *****
[2013.07.30. 23:23:16] hasslhoff: the first was Consensus Command Unit
[2013.07.30. 23:23:17] Spazzy (Sindroms): I did not CREATE the bass hunters
[2013.07.30. 23:23:25] Spazzy (Sindroms): I joined them, and then they were nameless
[2013.07.30. 23:23:34] Spazzy (Sindroms): I sort of took over, actually (rofl)
[2013.07.30. 23:23:41] hasslhoff: and you guys were also the one shot it
[2013.07.30. 23:23:44] Spazzy (Sindroms): I did create the name (wait)
[2013.07.30. 23:23:58] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well, I wasn't there at the time, so I do not know about the first one
[2013.07.30. 23:25:51] hasslhoff: well what is so funny about base raging?
[2013.07.30. 23:26:03] hasslhoff: and disturbing the community?
[2013.07.30. 23:26:33] Spazzy (Sindroms): Because the moment bases were implemented, they were supposed to be a group effort.
[2013.07.30. 23:26:43] Spazzy (Sindroms): Maybe one in 20 bases actually has a group behind it.
[2013.07.30. 23:26:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Just like there were pirates targeting jump traders, we target any base that runs out of stuff.
[2013.07.30. 23:27:09] Spazzy (Sindroms): If you have a group, you can defend it
[2013.07.30. 23:27:18] Spazzy (Sindroms): If you do not, then you are not supposed to have one in the first place.
[2013.07.30. 23:29:32] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is the same as people making pirate groups to attack convoys. Or mining operations.
[2013.07.30. 23:29:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is an imbalanced addition to the mod and we balance it by giving some danger to base building.
[2013.07.30. 23:29:56] Spazzy (Sindroms): Otherwise they sort of just...sit there.
[2013.07.30. 23:31:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): Thing is, most people in the BH are just a bunch of peeps, who just fly with each other. Nobody really organizes the base raids, otherwise you'd think we have caps all over the place.
[2013.07.30. 23:32:17] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is sort of more along the lines of ''hey, there is a base dying over there, who wants to help give it a push?''
[2013.07.30. 23:33:03] Spazzy (Sindroms): Thing is, people are butthurt that days of effort die and such, but if you are so careless to actually allow your core 4 beauty to start dying, you might as well deserve it.
[2013.07.30. 23:33:13] hasslhoff: so why don't you do it with nomad chars?
[2013.07.30. 23:33:25] hasslhoff: inRP in makes quite more sense
[2013.07.30. 23:33:30] Spazzy (Sindroms): Not really.
[2013.07.30. 23:33:34] Spazzy (Sindroms): ZOI is small
[2013.07.30. 23:33:43] Spazzy (Sindroms): For the non-Kahara nomads, I mean.
[2013.07.30. 23:34:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): And not to mention sneaking a base attack in a populated place such as Liberty, for example, is thrilling by itself.
[2013.07.30. 23:34:35] Spazzy (Sindroms): So if it is a lawful base, we use unlawful ships, if it is an unlawful, we use unlawfuls.
[2013.07.30. 23:34:50] Spazzy (Sindroms): The fun bit is fending off the attackers, tbh.
[2013.07.30. 23:35:13] Spazzy (Sindroms): If the base dies, okay, so it dies. If a whole swatforce of defenders come, that turns into a small mini-event by itself :D
[2013.07.30. 23:35:22] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is fun (wait)
[2013.07.30. 23:35:34] hasslhoff: well what do you miss is the point that you allways attack organized
[2013.07.30. 23:35:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): Eh, not really.
[2013.07.30. 23:35:55] hasslhoff: you do not offer this to the groups you attack
[2013.07.30. 23:36:01] Spazzy (Sindroms): People remember only the bases the bass hunters killed
[2013.07.30. 23:36:12] Spazzy (Sindroms): Nobody dares to mention the times when we get bomberraped to bits :D
[2013.07.30. 23:36:18] Spazzy (Sindroms): Like the assault on the pheonix freeport
[2013.07.30. 23:36:24] Spazzy (Sindroms): That was just brutal
[2013.07.30. 23:36:36] Spazzy (Sindroms): It was 4 legates versus
[2013.07.30. 23:36:45] hasslhoff: [otrdiena, 2013. gada 30. jūlijā 23:27] Spazzy (Sindroms):
<<< If you have a group, you can defend it
If you do not, then you are not supposed to have one in the first place.cause i can agree on this point
[2013.07.30. 23:36:51] Spazzy (Sindroms): 4 AIs, 5 zoners, 1 OC dread, 4 FLs, two orders
[2013.07.30. 23:37:15] hasslhoff: sure cause you guys made some other guys quite angry
[2013.07.30. 23:37:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): I never said it was a bad thing.
[2013.07.30. 23:37:27] Spazzy (Sindroms): That was fun as hell
[2013.07.30. 23:37:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): And I am pretty sure ''surviving a Bass hunter Siege'' is something to brag around right now, I don't know.
[2013.07.30. 23:37:53] Spazzy (Sindroms): I owned a core 4 base myself
[2013.07.30. 23:37:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Wallace Production Facility
[2013.07.30. 23:38:08] hasslhoff: never heard about it
[2013.07.30. 23:38:09] Spazzy (Sindroms): I kept it alive by myself, no problem
[2013.07.30. 23:38:19] Spazzy (Sindroms): It was a base next to Leeds Jumpgate in New London
[2013.07.30. 23:38:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): eh, not leeds
[2013.07.30. 23:38:24] Spazzy (Sindroms): Dublin
[2013.07.30. 23:38:31] Spazzy (Sindroms): anyway, I kept it alive by myself, no problem
[2013.07.30. 23:38:40] Spazzy (Sindroms): So I know how easy it is to maintain a base solo
[2013.07.30. 23:38:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): Thing is, it is not SUPPOSED to be like that
[2013.07.30. 23:38:55 | Edited 23:39:09] hasslhoff: why don't you siege stupid ZA bases?
[2013.07.30. 23:39:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): We did (wait)
[2013.07.30. 23:39:06] Spazzy (Sindroms): On alts
[2013.07.30. 23:39:15] Spazzy (Sindroms): Problem is, the ZA keep them supplied
[2013.07.30. 23:39:25] Spazzy (Sindroms): So it is pointless
[2013.07.30. 23:39:44] Spazzy (Sindroms): And if they can keep them and are big enough as a group, they pretty much deserve to have them
[2013.07.30. 23:39:48] Spazzy (Sindroms): if that makes any sense
[2013.07.30. 23:40:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): That and I sort of find it highly funny how a new group of peeps like the ZA come around, point the middle finger to all the dying, half-active zoner official factions and take over a whole system
[2013.07.30. 23:40:27] Spazzy (Sindroms): It is hilarious
[2013.07.30. 23:40:44] Spazzy (Sindroms): But if their bases start to die, sure, we will be there to help
[2013.07.30. 23:40:45] Spazzy (Sindroms): (nerd)
[2013.07.30. 23:41:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): We already made a few AI cruisers for that
[2013.07.30. 23:41:37] hasslhoff: [otrdiena, 2013. gada 30. jūlijā 23:40] Spazzy (Sindroms):
<<< And if they can keep them and are big enough as a group, they pretty much deserve to have themthey aren't
[2013.07.30. 23:41:50] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well, their bases aren't running out, so they are big enough anyway
[2013.07.30. 23:42:13] Spazzy (Sindroms): Point stands, if they start to die, they will have a bunch of trigger-happy AI Cruisers visiting them
[2013.07.30. 23:43:05] Spazzy (Sindroms): The main problem for the bass hunters is that since we do not use tags, nobody can tell if a siege is done by us or someone else
[2013.07.30. 23:43:19] Spazzy (Sindroms): so if there are some lolwuts sieging some base, reengaging or oorping, guess who takes the blame
[2013.07.30. 23:43:57] hasslhoff: so use a tag
[2013.07.30. 23:44:31] Spazzy (Sindroms): Can't
[2013.07.30. 23:44:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): The whole Bass Hunters do not exist ingame
[2013.07.30. 23:44:55] Spazzy (Sindroms): it is just a funny name we came up with for the players involved
[2013.07.30. 23:45:01] hasslhoff: they act ingame so they are ingame
[2013.07.30. 23:45:09] Spazzy (Sindroms): since we use many types of ships and IDs, we cannot use a tag
[2013.07.30. 23:45:19] Spazzy (Sindroms): we cannot be ''one group''
[2013.07.30. 23:45:36] Spazzy (Sindroms): Though if we were given a terrorist ID........
[2013.07.30. 23:45:42] Spazzy (Sindroms): That would pretty much solve the problem
[2013.07.30. 23:45:52] Spazzy (Sindroms): unlimited ZOI on any ship, free engagement rights
[2013.07.30. 23:46:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): Though it would not be as fun either
[2013.07.30. 23:47:41] hasslhoff: but will make it much more fair
[2013.07.30. 23:48:03] hasslhoff: cause it's still need time to recognize what is going on currently
[2013.07.30. 23:48:18] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well, as far as I know the rules will get an overhaul
[2013.07.30. 23:48:37] Spazzy (Sindroms): something about bases being invoulneragble and can be attacked only with a pre-planned RP event sort of thing
[2013.07.30. 23:48:51] Spazzy (Sindroms): Though I do not know if they meant it for POBs or actual ingame NPC bases
[2013.07.30. 23:52:29] Spazzy (Sindroms): Don't quote me on that, those are just rumors from a guy, who knows one of the devs.
[2013.07.30. 23:53:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): I know for a fact that POB engagement rules WILL change to prevent such sudden attacks and cator to the whole "Give sufficient time to respond" part of the regular PVP engagement rules.
[2013.07.30. 23:54:20] hasslhoff: anyway fact is i don't think you guys have the right to say which base stay alive or should be dead
[2013.07.30. 23:54:47] Spazzy (Sindroms): The owners of the bases have a right to judge whether their bases live or die. They just have to supply them.
[2013.07.30. 23:54:57] Spazzy (Sindroms): We never attack supplied bases.
[2013.07.30. 23:55:01] Spazzy (Sindroms): That is the whole point.
[2013.07.30. 23:55:29] hasslhoff: core 1 bases have to be delivered everyday
[2013.07.30. 23:55:36] hasslhoff: that's not fair though
[2013.07.30. 23:56:11] Spazzy (Sindroms): Then why would you build one if you cannot support it?
[2013.07.30. 23:57:56] hasslhoff: maybe cause noone was there earlier?
[2013.07.30. 23:58:33] hasslhoff: supporting is not defense
[2013.07.30. 23:58:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): If POBs are supposed to be a group project, how was nobody able to supply it?
[2013.07.30. 23:58:50] Spazzy (Sindroms): Or defend it for that matter.
[2013.07.30. 23:58:55] Spazzy (Sindroms): Two bombers can break a siege easily.
[2013.07.30. 23:59:11] Spazzy (Sindroms): That is a fact people have proven before.
[0:00:38] hasslhoff: thats not new
[0:00:58] hasslhoff: but you still do not have the right to judge it
[0:01:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): No, I have a right to judge it.
[0:01:54] Spazzy (Sindroms): What I do not have, is the right to enforce my beliefs on others.
[0:02:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): In which you are correct.
[0:02:16] Spazzy (Sindroms): However, this is how Discovery works and has always worked.
[0:02:45] Spazzy (Sindroms): And, not to sound like a prat, but I would like to say that I might have been around for a bit longer than you have been to be sure on those assumptions.
[0:03:01] hasslhoff: metagaming as a storm?
[0:03:09] Spazzy (Sindroms): The thing is, there have been maaaaaaany groups doing what we do now. The only difference between them and the bass hunters is that we do it completely openly.
[0:03:32] Spazzy (Sindroms): We let the people know how and why we do it and do not hide behind ***** roleplay stories and paragraphs of sensless chatter to do so.
[0:03:40] Spazzy (Sindroms): And that is the only reason why people are mad.
[0:03:58] hasslhoff: it is a RP server
[0:03:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Look at the Reavers, for an example. They are a personalized attack force, killing everything that is paid for.
[0:04:09] hasslhoff: so you don't have an option
[0:04:21] Spazzy (Sindroms): They have the RP behind it, but it does not change the fact that vets use their services to weed out undesirable indie groups.
[0:04:43] Spazzy (Sindroms): Oh, but we do RP. Every attack we have done, apart from that AI fiasco, since we had to shoot a TBH, was done in RP in mind.
[0:05:00] Spazzy (Sindroms): because, you know, caps are expensive, so nobody would attack bases without following the rules, otherwise their ***** would get deleted
[0:05:15] Spazzy (Sindroms): If we attack a base, we use the needed ID to do that.
[0:05:38] Spazzy (Sindroms): That is pretty much all the RP you need to have on this server (sadly)
[0:06:18] hasslhoff: indeed
[0:06:43] Spazzy (Sindroms): So that is pretty much the summary of the BH
[0:06:56] Spazzy (Sindroms): A group of peeps with a certain idea that POBs need to have effort behind them
[0:07:03] Spazzy (Sindroms): operating on many ships without any ties ingame
[0:07:19] Spazzy (Sindroms): using minimum needed RP to keep within the rules and destroy bases which are dying from not being supplied
[0:07:57] hasslhoff: well i can just speak for myself now
[0:08:04] Spazzy (Sindroms): And, not to brag, being quite effective
[0:08:23] Spazzy (Sindroms): Last time I was ingame, 5kers gauling basic alloy everywhere
[0:08:24] Spazzy (Sindroms): (rofl)
[0:09:00] hasslhoff: but you are wrong what effort means
[0:09:20] hasslhoff: like the consensus...we have set 3 division to have a 3 way leadership.
[0:09:37] Spazzy (Sindroms): I already told you, the only reason why I personally attacked you was because your guys shot me (wait)
[0:09:45] Spazzy (Sindroms): Ive no idea what happened to the first base, since I was not around
[0:09:53] hasslhoff: i for myself am nearly the single guy who is trading and delivering and constructing bases
[0:10:49] hasslhoff: so you mean if just one guy is responsible for the environment of a whole faction
[0:10:59] hasslhoff: the faction don't have the right to have a base
[0:11:57] Spazzy (Sindroms): Yes, if the rest of the faction members are lazy *****, who just want to have nice things without effort
[0:12:14] Spazzy (Sindroms): Kudos for the one guy doing it all, but that is not how it should work
[0:12:32] hasslhoff: nope they aren't they just aren't in the logistic division
[0:12:56] Spazzy (Sindroms): Then what are they doing then?
[0:13:27] hasslhoff: stuff for the main division
[0:13:39] Spazzy (Sindroms): Look, I understand that every once and a while there are exceptions, but the point remains the same. If a group cannot support a base for some reason, they are not supposed to have one. Make RP ties to other factions to support your base, make oorp ties if you have to
[0:14:05] Spazzy (Sindroms): If you upkeep your base constantly and it will never run out of BBs, Fuel and consumer goods
[0:14:10] Spazzy (Sindroms): Then you have NO reason to fear the BH
[0:14:52] hasslhoff: i don't fear you guys ;)
[0:15:39] hasslhoff: i just say the ooRP you spray still reflects back to you
[0:20:46] Spazzy (Sindroms): Eh, to be honest, the people involved could care less.
[0:20:53] hasslhoff: their is a group doing the same ooRP just for hunt you guys the ass off
[0:20:59] Spazzy (Sindroms): Let alone me, since I was the one who voulanteered to be the BH ''spokesman'' to begin with
[0:21:11] Spazzy (Sindroms): Good for them, it will be fun
[0:22:34] hasslhoff: nearly 60 guys though (rofl)
[0:22:46] hasslhoff: i am not in anyway
[0:23:02] Spazzy (Sindroms): (rofl)
[0:23:03] Spazzy (Sindroms): Holy crap
[0:23:26] Spazzy (Sindroms): Well, some epic battles of mass proportions is somethign the server lacks these days
[0:23:30] Spazzy (Sindroms): so I wouldn't mind
[0:23:45] Spazzy (Sindroms): (wait) Granted I get to kill at least something before I go up in flames
[0:23:48] Spazzy (Sindroms): (rofl)
[0:24:44] hasslhoff: :D
[0:28:22 | Edited 0:28:33] hasslhoff: well one thing you've earned my respect is...how you collect the most base coords
[0:30:20] Spazzy (Sindroms): (nerd)
RE: Bastilled ships - Hone - 07-31-2013
Not an in RP faction?
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=101278
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=102254
Different ID ships in the same faction in RP forums.
Honestly Im amused by both sides atm. Both have good points, and really stupid points.
RE: Bastilled ships - Jack_Henderson - 07-31-2013
(07-31-2013, 05:20 PM)titanbot Wrote: This is the most cretinous answer I could have read, and basically insulted me because I am unjustly punished for something I didn't do. In the civilized world, you investigate first - then you punish.
Cretinous? How... inventive.
Quote:If you punish, then you realized you didn't punish the culprit, but other random people - you are to pay up for your mistakes in order to cover the expenses (material or otherwise).
Says the hitbox-cheater that got my shared GB accounts banned.
I still wonder why they let people who were convicted of fiddling with hitboxes return to the server. I agree however with your point here.
The Admins answered that this bastille-ation is a temporary measure until they find a bigger answer to the much bigger topic.