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Split from Admin Notice. - Tenacity - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:The topic is subtitled: RE : Liberty and The Order, etc
The event that undoubtedly got the admins thinking has nothing to with anyone dictating RP, but it sounds like that's what the admins are calling it. That's garbage.
that's what happens when admins try to take charge of a situation that can and is being handled just fine by the players here, IN-RP at that.
Split from Admin Notice. - Baltar - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:The topic is subtitled: RE : Liberty and The Order, etc
The event that undoubtedly got the admins thinking has nothing to do with anyone dictating RP, but it sounds like that's what the admins are calling it. That's garbage.
Admin Notice : Players dictating roleplay & diplomacy to others, RE : Liberty and The Order, etc
Notice the title here in bold yellow. The RE part is using Liberty and Order as an example ... but it applies to other situations besides just Liberty and Order ... hence the small but extremely important caveat at the end of the title. That little addon is "etc."
That little "etc" broadens the topic beyond just Liberty and Order.
' Wrote:that's what happens when admins try to take charge of a situation that can and is being handled just fine by the players here, IN-RP at that.
Well ... its great if there are two player factions attempting to role play a treaty between those two player factions. BUT ... you cannot force those who are NOT in your player faction to follow suit. If you are gonna force MY Order character to follow along with this role play treaty then Black Squadron better be ready for me to put a Bs| in front of my character's name. What say you Black Squadron?
Split from Admin Notice. - MB52 - 10-01-2008
Does this mean I can go to Reinland now.. buy a capship and they CANT say anything/do anything about it as long as I rp it?
Just curious...
Split from Admin Notice. - Zelot - 10-01-2008
I think part of the problem is that you are taking two factions that are supposed to be hostile and trying to make them neutral. It is similar to what happened with Bretonia and the Molly's, difference is that when Bretonia and the UOG made peace, two opposition groups grew out of it, trying to maintain Igiss's rp for discovery. This is not the case with the Order, Black Squadron has declared it is the only Order player faction, and that there will be no others (this is not about whether I agree or disagree with it, just the situation at hand.) This leaves no outlet for Indy Order players to play out the story the Igiss has created for Discovery.
Now I know other factions have declared themselves the only player faction of a particular faction, for example RM. The difference is RM is not going against the set storyline for the game. If the only options for a Order player are follow Black Squadrons and Tenebras and Tenacities orders, or be declared insane. You have not left enough room for other people to have their rp. Statements like this;
Quote: I would have no problem with Ryoken RPing a psychotic Order battleship
show even more that you want to control the RP of others, and thats one thing when your going along with the storyline of the game, but here you are not, and therefor need to make more room for people to RP opposition to the agreement, not less room.
Now I am not on one side or the other of this, I am just an observer and a member of discovery, and this is my opinion.
Split from Admin Notice. - Orin - 10-01-2008
Noted Baltar, but if you have read anything I've said, no one ever dictated anyone to do anything other than flat-out TO RP at all in this instance.
I do of course completely agree that other players should not be able to dictate other's RPs. The stray nail just has to expect to be hit down if they are ignoring accepted RP politics.
A Order vessel - in RP - cannot go into NY and wtfpwn everyone, though.
Split from Admin Notice. - jpo - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:So what about "Capship registration"? It is a behavior not given by the NPCs but within server rules and faction policy.you still arent allowed to dictate the other players roleplay if they dont register, just KOS them.
Split from Admin Notice. - Baltar - 10-01-2008
I've got to agree with Zelot here ... player factions can role play their faction as they see fit and can dictate what goes on in their Guard systems. But as I recall ... the original system ownership parameters did not extend to all systems. Those of us that do not have a character in every single major faction on discovery should not be slaves to those who DO have characters in every faction.
Most of my characters are loners ... independents. And I've only got 3 characters in 2 factions. Two of my characters are in Junker Congress and the third is a Mandalorian. All 3 of my characters in factions are in neutral factions. And neither of these factions are system owning factions (at least not yet). And neither faction has a huge ZoI to claim.
So to all you mega-faction types ... give us non-faction whoring types a little breathing room.
Split from Admin Notice. - Zelot - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:I've got to agree with Zelot here ... player factions can role play their faction as they see fit and can dictate what goes on in their Guard systems. But as I recall ... the original system ownership parameters did not extend to all systems. Those of us that do not have a character in every single major faction on discovery should not be slaves to those who DO have characters in every faction.
Most of my characters are loners ... independents. And I've only got 3 characters in 2 factions. Two of my characters are in Junker Congress and the third is a Mandalorian. All 3 of my characters in factions are in neutral factions. And neither of these factions are system owning factions (at least not yet). And neither faction has a huge ZoI to claim.
So to all you mega-faction types ... give us non-faction whoring types a little breathing room.
This is not about the number of factions people are in. It is about allowing for oppositional RP without forcing other players to play as "Psychotic"
Split from Admin Notice. - jpo - 10-01-2008
Quote:If a player wants to be an independent, they need to prove themselves capable of good RP and self restraint.poppycock. If a player wants to be an independent they need to follow the server rules and the rp of the faction. thats it.
Split from Admin Notice. - Baltar - 10-01-2008
' Wrote:Noted Baltar, but if you have read anything I've said, no one ever dictated anyone to do anything other than flat-out TO RP at all in this instance.
I do of course completely agree that other players should not be able to dictate other's RPs. The stray nail just has to expect to be hit down if they are ignoring accepted RP politics.
A Order vessel - in RP - cannot go into NY and wtfpwn everyone, though.
I'm not talking about your specific situation either. I'm talking about overall ... we have a right to breath a little.
Striking that nail ... if my Order vessel ignores your Liberty vessel ... is that OORP? If there is a truce between Black Squadron and Liberty Navy/LSF (player factions) and I fly my Order vessel through Zone 21 and get the riot act and I get into an argument with him and he fires and I defend myself ... is that OORP because you and your "player" faction created some RP truce that I'm not privy too because I'm not in your little group of friends who post in your faction message dump?
If its diplomacy between player factions ... it only applies to members of said player factions involved.