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QCP to the COZ - Dab - 10-01-2009
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Comm ID: Aurelia Silvan
I believe I told the both of you to stay out of all talks with these Bretonian pirates. A response to them will be made in due time by a representative selected by the SHIZL. Until then, both of you stay out of these discussions. I don't want to have to tell you that again, my patience with you is running out.
-Aurelia Silvan
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QCP to the COZ - Camtheman Of Freelancer4Ever - 10-01-2009
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Hacked Datachannel 003
AI Codename HEARTLESS
Encrypted Channel Security ---- LOW.
Adress - Unknown Location, Frederation Juggernaut Midsummer Night
Speaker : Honorable Grand Admiral Marvin J. Orphelia
![[Image: coolieo.png]](http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t148/Hogdriver155/coolieo.png)
*Ahem*
I would rather not have an overinflated head of the SHIZL on this topic, someone who whines when the missles start flying. Although, I do not know who you think you are, Omnipotent Strongwoman, but I would rather not have my head on a silver plate because of some late politician. As it seems, Due time needs to be FASTER, if not, we will have a far bigger problem on our hands...
QCP to the COZ - Dab - 10-01-2009
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Comm ID: Aurelia Silvan
And hasty and thoughtless action creates the biggest problem of all. I thought you would've learned that by now. You do not want to go head-to-head with the SHIZL. We aren't very forgiving of people who disrupt our diplomatic negotiations with other groups.
You can keep your mouth shut and continue doing what you've been doing, or you can keep yapping and you'll be finding yourself a new home very soon. Have I made myself clear?
A response from the SHIZL will be delivered in due time. Further discussion is pointless until then. Now I understand here that the Bretonians opened this comm channel to us through an encrypted channel, available only to Council delegates.
From now on, I ask all messages from the Bretonian Privateers be sent directly to the SHIZL, who will respond in kind. Attempts by Council delegates, or anyone else, to hack into this comm channel will be punished. Copies of all transmissions on this matter will still be made available to the Council, however all direct comm access to these channels have been revoked until stated otherwise by the SHIZL.
-Aurelia Silvan
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QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 10-01-2009
In spite of doctored reports of hostility from certain Zoners in a poor attempt to defame us, who did not time-stamp their images or videos, nor show any initiation of conflict by my men and women, I have made the decision to extend the cease-fire by an undetermined amount of time, as I have received some updates regarding Doctor Holliday's unfortunate condition, and received some positive correspondence from anonymous individuals.
However, I am extremely offended at the lack of security, and the abuse of my trust in their secure transmission encryptions. I know not who is responsible, but it must be someone. If you believe that you can guard your secure transmissions with a note saying 'Please don't enter', you must be very naive.
I doubt this is the case, however, and believe that you do not have a unified council per se, but a collection of anarchists at each others' throats, hacking each others' messages, plotting behind each others' backs. If this is the case, should I be talking to you, or to them? Who is the true leader? The rebels or the so-called council?
I am also offended at the lack of any offers being made to ourselves in return for our own largely diluted terms handed over with our olive branch of peace. This offer is not good for a long period, ladies and gentlemen.
Right, so, the cease fire is active, for a short, undefined period.
I expect a very prompt response to keep things moving.
Yours,
Sir Andrew
QCP to the COZ - Dab - 10-02-2009
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Comm ID: Aurelia Silvan
Recipient: Andrew Stuart
Now I have had to catch up on these negotiations in a hurry, so if I have forgotten to respond to any part of your proposal, please point it out to me.
First, the matter of the use of the jump hole between Omega-49 and Dublin. Considering Dublin is sovereign Bretonian territory, we cannot do anything on the Dublin side of that hole. Furthermore, it isn't the Zoner's responsibility to protect Bretonia's borders, it is the responsibility of that house's armed forces. On top of that, the jump hole is also used by a group of native Bretonians, the Mollys, who regularly keep the Corsairs out on their own. As a result, most Corsairs enter Bretonia via Cambridge from Omega-3 and Omega-5, not our jump hole. Also, if Bretonia wishes such an arrangement, then it is they who needs to contact us and discuss it, and offer us something in return. Lastly, we cannot negotiate this matter with yourself. Since Bretonia has branded you and your pilots traitors to the crown, we cannot discuss anything related to Bretonia's security with you. This is not our choice, but a required evil brought about by your own status with the Bretonian government.
We also will not offer any monetary compensation to Bretonia when Corsairs pass into Dublin through Omega-49. For one, it isn't something that can be adequately policed. Furthermore such an agreement would be extremely easy to abuse and manipulate, using old evidence from before the agreement, or using doctored evidence to illegally obtain money they are not entitled to. And again, protecting Bretonia's borders isn't our responsibility, nor are we to blame when others enter. If the Zoners were to not exist in Omega-49, the Corsair threat from there wouldn't cease to exist, it'd be just as bad as usual. Worse, in fact, as they would have full control of this system and use it to launch full attacks, rather than small raids.
It is true that a portion of the population on Gran Canaria is Corsair, but the Corsairs residing on Gran Canaria are innocent civilians. Noncombatants who never have and never will enter into battle with Bretonia. Most of them came to Gran Canaria to find a home where they wouldn't be at risk of starving to death. We accepted those people for the same reason we allow the growing number of Bretonian refugees on Gran Canaria. So that they may have a safe and free place to live.
We are already in negotiations with the government of Bretonia, so debating anything related to Bretonia and Zoner relations in these negotiations would be a moot point. Bretonia asked for the things it wanted, and if they didn't ask for what you are asking, than they obviously didn't want it. That's as far as it can go on our end.
On the topic of No-Fire Zones, we will not award the Privateers any special conditions. You will be subject to all Zoner No-Fire Zones, just as the Corsairs are. Attack them in Omega-49 if you wish to, but within five K of Lanzarote or Gran Canaria, you will obey the No-Fire Zones. This is for the safety of Zoner bases and the population living on Gran Canaria's surface, which happens to include a sizable number of Bretonian refugees. They have no way to stop stray shots that may enter the planet's atmosphere and hit their settlement. Unless you wish to be party to the murder, even indirect murder, of thousands of Bretonian citizens, I suggest you abide by the laws we have set in place. If the Corsairs follow these laws, than you surely can.
-Aurelia Silvan
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QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 10-02-2009
You have offered us nothing. Nothing at all. You don't seem to know how negotiations are working, ma'am.
You want something from us, namely peace. We will only be prepared to give it to you should we receive something in turn.
Now, as I've stated before, we are utterly separate from the Bretonian Government. However, we believe they're doing an awful job. Therefore, we want you to make them offers which I have written. I know I'm not responsible for Dublin, but, frankly, I don't care. You can deny Corsairs usage of a jumphole in your territory, and if they are innocent civilians, as you claim (but which I do not believe, unfortunately), they will happily go along with this.
Effectively, I am telling the Zoners to give an uncle of mine a gift, because, although I think he's a jackass, he's family, and it's his birthday. Now, I can't just go and buy this gift, I have to take it by force, because that's, unfortunately, all I've ever known. Now, apologies for the weak metaphors, let me continue...
Now, should other Corsairs come in via the deep Omegas and use said backdoor entrance to say, enact a nuclear holocaust, violate sovereign borders or engage in piracy, as has happened in the past, they should be considered in technical breach of Freeport regulations.
Let me explain: Corsair A, let's call him 'Sanchez', is a peaceful individual living on Gran Canaria, as odd as this may sound. Corsair B, let's call him 'Juan', is a Corsair pirate, active in the Omegas.
Omega 49 is sovereign Zoner territory, as you claim. Sanchez lives here, and often flies around, smoking those little roll-ups and wearing a sombrero, nice and friendly-like. No problem.
Juan passes through this Zoner territory, using it to enter Dublin and pirate Bretonians after drinking far too much tequila. This should be considered as taking advantage of the Zoner position of neutrality to allow a backdoor entry to a hostile nation.
Now, I would much strongly prefer that you shoot Juan for launching attacks from Zoner space. It would save Bretonia a lot of time and effort. After all, he is launching said attacks from your space, making you much more than a little complicit in the eyes of many Bretonians. This is why we are at odds. I hear that the Zoners complain to my great nation's government about our own attacks on them. Our pathetic Government moved to stop us, limiting our ability to attack you somewhat, arresting some of my men. Of course, I'm more able than that, but that's beyond the point. The Zoners should do the same about people launching attacks from their space.
Now, I have seen drafts of a recent treaty on the neuralnet... it allows for the Bretonian Armed Forces to pursue those that abuse No Fire Zones after certain reports are made. To be honest, this looks like pathetic appeasement to me, but I have to lead by example and show you amateurs how compromise works, it seems.
Now, here is my suggestion. As an addendum to that treaty, say that Corsairs, or others hostile to the Crown (such as the revolutionaries from Omega 52, or the Mollys), who use the Omega-49/Dublin jumpholes, be considered violators of No Fire Zones, able to be fired upon by the Armed Forces in Omega 49, or other No Fire Zones. Other Corsairs or hostiles would retain protection, and could not be fired upon by Bretonian vessels whilst in Omega 49 (the entire system being treated as a No Fire Zone), unless in self defence.
Furthermore, I would demand that assaults on vessels carrying refugees or humanitarian supplies to Port Jackson be considered a Freeport NFZ violation (also a violation if they are fired upon on their return trips).
Also, I would like Bretonians to be given equal rights to Corsairs to colonise on Planet Gran Canaria. Reports from the Port Jackson camp suggest that the Corsairs have colonies on at least one continent, and are not forced to adopt the Zoner credo. If one allows this for one, it makes me wonder why not the other? After all, Bretonian colonists are peaceful civilians like the Corsairs, and can assist in industrialisation projects, as well as perhaps bringing life to desert regions, with Planetform assistance.
Now, I would suggest that you accept these proposals, instead of offering absolutely nothing as you lot have made a habit of doing. Negotiations go both ways, and I've made every effort to be accommodating. Now, I must admit, my patience wears thin with having to offer something for nothing. If no progress is made, and my offer not accepted, I may be forced to go back to our original demands, and send my men back to combat duty.
Yours,
Sir Andrew
QCP to the COZ - Dab - 10-02-2009
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Comm ID: Aurelia Silvan
Recipient(s): Andrew Stuart
You're very poorly informed if you think the usage of space or jump holes is in any way related to Freeport Regulations. Also, we cannot stop anyone from using jump holes. If we were to make this concession, we'd have to make similar concessions to others. Would you like us to do the same for Corsairs, block off access to all Border World Export transports carrying supplies to Port Jackson, just because they told us we should consider it a violation of Freeport Regulations if they get into Omega-49? I think you'd be quite angry if that were to happen. Just as Corsairs will be angry if we take your side of the issue. We will not abandon our neutrality for you, and that is final.
Theft and piracy may be all you've ever known, but it's also clear that you're lacking reason and a basic understanding of how things operate in Sirius.
If 'Juan' were to enter Dublin and commit some heinous act against Bretonia, this wouldn't be using Zoner neutrality in the least. Bretonia can attack said Corsair the moment he is five K or more away from any Zoner station or planet. Our neutrality doesn't extend to the jump hole. So if you're so concerned, why can't Bretonia, or your own pilots, stop them? You're blaming neutrality, but the only real cause here is laziness. That jump hole could be patrolled regularly by anything under cruiser-class and we Zoners wouldn't get involved, unless a Zoner were to come under attack by said patrols.
Letting someone do something may make us look partly responsible in the eyes of Bretonians, many of whom don't know the full situation, but if we were to take direct action against Corsairs, it'd be outright conspiracy with the Bretonians against them, resulting in a war. As I said before, we will not abandon neutrality for you.
Furthermore, you're asking for an addendum to a treaty you aren't in the least bit involved in, nor is it something Bretonia asked to have added to the treaty.. And as if that weren't enough.. It's something that doesn't need added. As long as the ships aren't cruiser size or larger, Bretonia may attack Corsairs, just as Corsairs may attack Bretonia.. But don't bring that fight within five K of our stations or planets.
You're also very misinformed of the situation on Planet Gran Canaria. Obviously because you've never been there yourself and take the words of unnamed individuals.. Any Corsair residing on Gran Canaria is subject to Zoner laws and regulations. The Bretonians in Port Jackson have more legal and political freedom than any Corsair on the planet's surface. If you really are dead set on Bretonians having the same rights as Corsairs on Gran Canaria, we will give them that.. Meaning Port Jackson will lose its status as sovereign Bretonian territory, all citizens in Port Jackson would be subject to Zoner law. All Bretonian law that was enforced in Port Jackson would then be null and void.
And lastly on your issue with ships carrying refugees and humanitarian relief transports, that was part of a treaty with Border World Exports. And we cannot amend it without their permission or request. If Border World Exports wishes for their transports to be guarded by Zoners when heading to and from Gran Canaria, they must bring that issue to us directly. Already we discourage anyone from attacking ships carrying either of those goods, and those transports may request Zoners individually to escort them when inside Omega-49. Whether they must pay the Zoner for those services is entirely on that Zoner's choice. The Council can't force them to do it, let alone for free. Fuel costs money.
We may wish for peace with your, but that doesn't mean we'll bend over to blackmail. You claim I don't know how negotiations work, but you're not participating in a negotiation, you're attempting to blackmail us into doing what you ask. That's piracy. And until you do begin to participate in real negotiations, you aren't going to receive any of the things you ask for.
-Aurelia Silvan
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QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 10-02-2009
' Wrote:Incoming Transmission
Comm ID: Aurelia Silvan
Recipient(s): Andrew Stuart
You're very poorly informed if you think the usage of space or jump holes is in any way related to Freeport Regulations. Also, we cannot stop anyone from using jump holes. If we were to make this concession, we'd have to make similar concessions to others. Would you like us to do the same for Corsairs, block off access to all Border World Export transports carrying supplies to Port Jackson, just because they told us we should consider it a violation of Freeport Regulations if they get into Omega-49? I think you'd be quite angry if that were to happen. Just as Corsairs will be angry if we take your side of the issue. We will not abandon our neutrality for you, and that is final.
Theft and piracy may be all you've ever known, but it's also clear that you're lacking reason and a basic understanding of how things operate in Sirius.
If 'Juan' were to enter Dublin and commit some heinous act against Bretonia, this wouldn't be using Zoner neutrality in the least. Bretonia can attack said Corsair the moment he is five K or more away from any Zoner station or planet. Our neutrality doesn't extend to the jump hole. So if you're so concerned, why can't Bretonia, or your own pilots, stop them? You're blaming neutrality, but the only real cause here is laziness. That jump hole could be patrolled regularly by anything under cruiser-class and we Zoners wouldn't get involved, unless a Zoner were to come under attack by said patrols.
Letting someone do something may make us look partly responsible in the eyes of Bretonians, many of whom don't know the full situation, but if we were to take direct action against Corsairs, it'd be outright conspiracy with the Bretonians against them, resulting in a war. As I said before, we will not abandon neutrality for you.
Furthermore, you're asking for an addendum to a treaty you aren't in the least bit involved in, nor is it something Bretonia asked to have added to the treaty.. And as if that weren't enough.. It's something that doesn't need added. As long as the ships aren't cruiser size or larger, Bretonia may attack Corsairs, just as Corsairs may attack Bretonia.. But don't bring that fight within five K of our stations or planets.
You're also very misinformed of the situation on Planet Gran Canaria. Obviously because you've never been there yourself and take the words of unnamed individuals.. Any Corsair residing on Gran Canaria is subject to Zoner laws and regulations. The Bretonians in Port Jackson have more legal and political freedom than any Corsair on the planet's surface. If you really are dead set on Bretonians having the same rights as Corsairs on Gran Canaria, we will give them that.. Meaning Port Jackson will lose its status as sovereign Bretonian territory, all citizens in Port Jackson would be subject to Zoner law. All Bretonian law that was enforced in Port Jackson would then be null and void.
And lastly on your issue with ships carrying refugees and humanitarian relief transports, that was part of a treaty with Border World Exports. And we cannot amend it without their permission or request. If Border World Exports wishes for their transports to be guarded by Zoners when heading to and from Gran Canaria, they must bring that issue to us directly. Already we discourage anyone from attacking ships carrying either of those goods, and those transports may request Zoners individually to escort them when inside Omega-49. Whether they must pay the Zoner for those services is entirely on that Zoner's choice. The Council can't force them to do it, let alone for free. Fuel costs money.
We may wish for peace with your, but that doesn't mean we'll bend over to blackmail. You claim I don't know how negotiations work, but you're not participating in a negotiation, you're attempting to blackmail us into doing what you ask. That's piracy. And until you do begin to participate in real negotiations, you aren't going to receive any of the things you ask for.
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Ahem, where are my offers, ma'am?
I've made concessions, you get to yours. I'm not here to debate how things work, I'm here to get results.
I didn't claim that using a jumphole was a violation of NFZs. I said to treat it as if it were. Corsairs have no reason to use said jumphole, unless causing trouble. If they are causing trouble, you would have no issue with them being destroyed. The Corsairs on Gran Canaria would not be harmed. If a Corsair enters Bretonia from here, or flees here from Bretonia, Bretonia cannot pursue, due to it being foreign territory. I would suggest this be rectified.
Now, the Bowex shipments going to Gran Canaria are one hundred percent humanitarian. Why would the Corsairs worry about this?
I didn't ask you to shoot them, since I knew you wouldn't be brave enough, but I suggested that you let Bretonians do so. If Corsairs violate Bretonian borders, and take advantage of the safe haven of Zoner space, they are abusing your neutrality.
Now, I would suggest you don't make idle threats regarding refugee camps, ma'am, it does not become you. We all know the treaty is effectively set in stone. Regardless, if the Corsairs abide by Zoner law, well... that isn't saying much, right? You won't stop them taking a jumphole into Dublin, since that isn't against your laws, and you will let them do anything else they like, since you're a bunch of lawless anarchists.
And again I'm getting extremely tired of you ignorant people telling me that I can't demand you give gifts to my idiot family. If I demand that you offer Bowex escorts in your space, you might say 'we can't because it is too difficult' (which is not the case, but I'm giving an example)... you should not say 'no, you aren't of Bowex', because frankly, I do not care, ma'am. Offer it to them, for free, as a humanitarian gesture to the plight of the refugee, and accept nothing in return. Sign it on paper too. This does not require Bowex requests, and you know it.
Now...
Make me some offers, and quit making the same god-damn mistakes in telling me what I can or cannot request. I can request that you send the Kanzler of Rheinland a baby hippo for Christmas in exchange for a Corsair Titan, painted blue, for all that matters! I don't care how it is done, so long as it gets done.
I've made major concessions after the tsunami of tears the Zoners cried my way, and have been offered nothing. This is the last message in which these concessions will remain unless something substantial is offered. Unless actual negotiation is attempted, instead of attempting to tell me that my every request is wrong (a most extreme diplomatic faux pas, ma'am), I shall go back to the original list of demands.
Yours,
Sir Andrew
QCP to the COZ - Dab - 10-02-2009
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Comm ID: Aurelia Silvan
Recipient(s): Andrew Stuart
Stuart, you've offered no concession beyond "we won't shoot you," and everything else has been nothing but blackmail-ridden demands.
Trouble-causing pirates in Bretonia are not our responsibility, nor is it your place to discuss Bretonia's security with us. Now, I've made no threats regarding any refugee camps, but simply let you know that if you wished us to give the Bretonians on Gran Canaria equal rights to the Corsairs there, that we'd accept that request and make it so, and let you know what changes that would entail. Perhaps you missed the meaning of what I said, which is that the Bretonians on Gran Canaria have much more rights and political freedom than any Corsair that ever touches foot on the planet's surface. If you wish to have that privilege removed, than that is your choice.
We do not give gifts, we make agreements. And someone using violence as their part of an agreement is someone we don't make deals with.
If you feel you have made any concession beyond a cease of hostilities, I urge you to list them in your next message.
If you are too busy to because you decided to get back to your job of disrupting Kusari commerce, I'll understand.
-Aurelia Silvan
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QCP to the COZ - bluntpencil2001 - 10-02-2009
Someone hasn't read the original demands, ma'am.
I demanded a hell of a lot. Now I demand a few things, as opposed to a lot. A lot which I was deadly serious about. I offered something the Zoners were serious about. I received nothing for my efforts. I don't even receive a skilled diplomat to honour the fact that I've maintained a temporary cease-fire for these so-called talks.
Now, quit calling me a liar, or it's back to square one. If you can't engage in talks like a diplomat, I'd advise you select someone that can.
Yours,
Sir Andrew