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police vs Pirates - McNeo - 12-29-2007
' Wrote:And that deserves a hearty AMEN !
Furthermore, the opposite of that statement may be described as jack-booted thuggery hiding behind a badge, or more simply, as mere fascism.
What I think would be helpful for all of us is for the Official House Police and Military Clans to start one thread somewhere where they each state their policies (laws) about these sorts of things. What we have now is a motley assortment of blowhards and preening cap ships scattered amongst a few good RPers who are leveling all sorts of ridiculous "laws" at everyone else, and then opening fire when they don't get their way.
We have all seen traders and smugglers get attacked by the so-called lawfuls, but when have we ever seen a lawful punished for abuse of power or crossing the line?
If your so-called laws are not written down somewhere that provides easy access for everyone, then they don't exist, and you are nothing more than a bully to quote them to anyone from behind the barrels of your guns.
Your use of force might satisfy you, but it breeds nothing but disrespect from everyone else.
RM does that all the time, and no one's ever complained about them. (reffering what morrigan said in the quote which doesn't show up inside the quote box above)
In fact, I agree what Morrigan says and what Xoria agrees with. Lazy cops or military should get their butts on patrol...
police vs Pirates - Equinox - 12-29-2007
Whats the point of the Smuggler ID if your going to shoot first and ask questions later?
What is the point of a smuggler ID if the first time you get caught you will be on KoS anyway?.
If the trader/smuggler gets away from you and manages to dock he made it, end of. He shouldn't be persecuted when he undocks with legal cargo, you guys didn't even manage to scan him first so you where not sure he was even carrying contraband in the first place.
To be honest we may aswell get rid of the ID now.
And to answer someones question from the first page no the LSF npcs don't fly anything bigger than fighters.
Ive never liked the idea of the LSF (police) having more cap ships than the actual NAVY! (SA) ....
police vs Pirates - Hyperwave22 - 12-29-2007
It's more or less been stated, but I think that it was more or less that global did not understand the policy of the LSF. I agree with Xoria as we should all place our policies in the same place. I believe they are all probably stated in the faction threads, but not sure exactly. When I redesigned SF's, I tried to make it as clear as possible, including the fines that each person would get for smuggling or other illegal things.
Quote:would a police / navy destroy a transport with 100 innocent people just cause the rest of the cargo is cardamine?
I wouldn't expect any police agency to do this in their right mind, but that's not to say it hasn't been done before. A military, on the other hand, might do this. It's highly situation dependent, though. If it's a simple domestic case, then they would probably put surveillance on them to catch them later. On a more international note, though, I can see a military doing this. Germany did it, more or less to the U.S. prior to WWI, and we were transporting both passengers on cruise ships in addition to supplies for the allies. The U.S. bombed hospital in Iraq during the first Gulf War because they were holding arms within them thinking the U.S. wouldn't attack. Not to say that it's morally justifiable, but I would think a military is perfectly capable of doing this in Freelancer.
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police vs Pirates - Spear - 12-29-2007
' Wrote:thats why i ask here,because i hope i will get answers from the other side (lsf) so now when you scan me,hunt me etc,i am wanted,that is ok.but what when you see me on scanner,on distance for example 12k,you order meto stop but i escape,and oyu can not stop me or scan me,when i come to liberty after hour,i am on KoS or i have clean shield and everything is on beggining?(order to stop,try to scan etc.)
Ok if you are never scanned that is fair enough, You were placed as KoS for refusal to stop. When you fid return you were not killed on sight you were stopped even though I had to case you. I demanded you drop your artifact and you dropped one and left another 4000 on board. You opened fire on me then managed to get into cruise after 10 attempts. you were then chased out of Liberty with the Artifacts in your hold. You are now a wanted criminal.
As was mentioned RM do this all the time and its not an issue. Lazy cops? I chase a guy for 20 mins and I am lazy. He's been caught he is KoS. If you want to smuggle DO NOT get caught. If you are do not be surprised that the law now wannts you! Smuggling is about being sneaky not cruising by the law speed docking then saying "Wahoo I made it and now I am free to do as I please!"
Regarding the first incident the player was warned what would happen. No you cannot commit a crime under our nose dock then say "wahoo up yours copper I made and now thats that!" The first incident involved no scan taken, it was because he failed to obey a military command.
He was caught and he will be fined eventually. He's a wanted man.
LSF is mostly fighters, so thats seems irrelevant to be honest. The OP was regarding a criminal who was being chased and sped right past our flagship to speed dock on Manhattan. You know what you are right out flagship should have planet dived instead of opening fire!
Smugglers are not stopped for just having a smuggler ID, they have to have contraband. I would prefer they just used trader ID's as well instead of broadcasting they are a smuggler. Seems silly to me.
police vs Pirates - SimonBlack - 12-29-2007
Quote:Smugglers are not stopped for just having a smuggler ID, they have to have contraband. I would prefer they just used trader ID's as well instead of broadcasting they are a smuggler. Seems silly to me
Perhaps, but that way the pirates are aware of what type of trader you are.
police vs Pirates - McNeo - 12-29-2007
Strictly speaking, the LSF aren't a police force, the LPI.inc is (Liberty Security Force vs Liberty Police Institution incorporated). Both are financed privately however.
The LSF are meant to be a reserve special force, I thought from my impressions of the story line. They aid the Liberty Navy in larger operations and take away mundane tasks from the Navy such as scanning ships and general lower priority patrol routes. They are a hybrid of police and military in a sense....
I think that maybe smugglers should only attempt to dock on planets if there aren't any police around or if they are busy fighting. Rochester is there for a reason I think?
I think what the RM does, which is jump into a system within Rheinland and say "All ships report to X location for inspection" is pretty silly, but no body stops them. If that is abuse of power, then its been going for a long time without complaint. I honestly believe that if you want to stop someone, you should scan them first. Or AT LEAST have them on your scanners.
That was referring to the wider issue, not this one in particular.
police vs Pirates - globalplayer-svk - 12-29-2007
when i start this i will not start flame on this what is or what is not lsf.i will answers.
spear i agree with that i am now wanted man because i play with you cat and mouse game.that i fully accept.
but you say this:Ok if you are never scanned that is fair enough, You were placed as KoS for refusal to stop.
when i refuse to stop,i am on KoS,when i stop and you scan me i loose all cargo or i am on KoS.so both choices end with KoS for smuggler.no other choice.when is one fighter near base,all smuglers end on KoS list.
when this begin,i was hunted by you or someone,but he has no distance to scan me,closest distance was 2,7 k.then other ships waiting near mannhatan dock ring,but when i come to range all open fire os i think noone has time to scan me.so i dock without that someone has scan me and was sure if i have contraband or no.
police vs Pirates - sn!p3r - 12-29-2007
Let me make this clear, LSF are NOT cap whores, soo dont even for 2 seconds think that. There are no LSF npc's. please don't go back to the LSF are cap whores story again.
police vs Pirates - Spear - 12-29-2007
' Wrote:when i start this i will not start flame on this what is or what is not lsf.i will answers.
spear i agree with that i am now wanted man because i play with you cat and mouse game.that i fully accept.
but you say this:Ok if you are never scanned that is fair enough, You were placed as KoS for refusal to stop.
when i refuse to stop,i am on KoS,when i stop and you scan me i loose all cargo or i am on KoS.so both choices end with KoS for smuggler.no other choice.when is one fighter near base,all smuglers end on KoS list.
when this begin,i was hunted by you or someone,but he has no distance to scan me,closest distance was 2,7 k.then other ships waiting near mannhatan dock ring,but when i come to range all open fire os i think noone has time to scan me.so i dock without that someone has scan me and was sure if i have contraband or no.
Ok I appreciate you saying this is not a flame but I must repeat. When you are asked to stop by a lawful, you STOP! Try speedin down a Moterway and refusing to stop for a police siren, they dont just forget you, they try and stop you and if they cant they will trace your car. Seems obvious to me
police vs Pirates - globalplayer-svk - 12-29-2007
but they will not shoot to you when you come out of garage with bus full of people.:)
so smugglers has no other choice as end on KoS,if he stop and you see the contraband or if he try to escape to avoid scanning.always he end on KoS list.