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Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012

' Wrote:That does not give them the right to TRAMPLE on other people's roleplay just because it doesnt flow right with them.

Which removes a great many boundaries for RP leading to unrealistic and surreal RP. You thought furries were bad.


Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - McNeo - 01-05-2012

' Wrote:Yes, but such thinking requires the factor of the majority of players being able to roleplay well without external influence - which is clearly not the case. People can roleplay well if they have structure, boundaries, and threat of consequence.

I would follow you through the Valley of the Shadow of Death for your views my good man.


Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Maelstrom - 01-05-2012

Quote:I have no problem with elitism, given that in the vast majority of cases within Discovery the "elite" are subjected to higher levels of initial screening than someone entering the server for the first time.

I have to disagree here. There is no arguing with the fact that new players are generally more inclined to lolwuttery. This is cureable, though, and not an issue when it comes to power abuse, as they have none. On the other hand, your "elites" are the ones using oorp relationships to abuse the system as well as established power to stomp out role play they do not agree with. If a group of people is found to be the major cause of a certain problem you do not give them more opportunity and power to cause that problem.


Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012

Quote:I have to disagree here. There is no arguing with the fact that new players are generally more inclined to lolwuttery. This is cureable, though, and not an issue when it comes to power abuse, as they have none. On the other hand, your "elites" are the ones using oorp relationships to abuse the system as well as established power to stomp out role play they do not agree with. If a group of people is found to be the major cause of a certain problem you do not give them more opportunity and power to cause that problem.

He hit the nail on the head.




Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - McNeo - 01-05-2012

The major cause of the amount of defecting battleships from the Liberty Navy is not a cause of the leadership of the [LN] faction, but a consequence of the desire of everybody to fight "against the machine" and to be the "underdog". This means that the [LN] gets punished by having people essentially beg to get FR5ed, so they can shoot us without consequence. This is their aim, no amount of talking will get them to change that, and shooting them is what they want in the first place.

How would you solve this?


Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012

' Wrote:I have to disagree here. There is no arguing with the fact that new players are generally more inclined to lolwuttery. This is cureable, though, and not an issue when it comes to power abuse, as they have none. On the other hand, your "elites" are the ones using oorp relationships to abuse the system as well as established power to stomp out role play they do not agree with. If a group of people is found to be the major cause of a certain problem you do not give them more opportunity and power to cause that problem.

Any system designed to solve a problem has its drawbacks; the issue becomes whether the detriments outweigh the benefits. In this case, I do not believe they do - I trust faction leaders to behave more responsibly than the majority of indies, ergo I support shifting the onus of responsibility onto the latter.


Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Curios - 01-05-2012

NO.

Because admin staff is playing a role of a "game masters" while reviewing such requests. We can not allow a single person to have something more powerful then Heavy Mortar in his\her hands, all other stuff is going thru the forums, sanctions, admin reviews.


Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Hastings1066 - 01-05-2012

' Wrote:The major cause of the amount of defecting battleships from the Liberty Navy is not a cause of the leadership of the [LN] faction, but a consequence of the desire of everybody to fight "against the machine" and to be the "underdog". This means that the [LN] gets punished by having people essentially beg to get FR5ed, so they can shoot us without consequence. This is their aim, no amount of talking will get them to change that, and shooting them is what they want in the first place.

How would you solve this?

Introduce a sub-rule where admins can gauge whether or not items/ships above a certain value and potency can be kept by the FR5ed player, perhaps?

InRPy it is very, very difficult to get away with anything larger than a transport when you defect.


Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Maelstrom - 01-05-2012

Quote:Yes, but such thinking requires the factor of the majority of players being able to roleplay well without external influence - which is clearly not the case. People can roleplay well if they have structure, boundaries, and threat of consequence.

I agree, people can roleplay well if they have structure. You cannot play a role without first defining it. However, there are many visions of a role that fit within that definition. No individual or clique should have the power to bar another from playing roles that fit within the structure but are disliked, different, or portrayed by a person that is disliked or different. That does not produce good role play, that produces factionbots.





Allowing Official Faction leaders to FR5 people themselves. - Camtheman - 01-05-2012

Quote:No individual or clique should have the power to bar another from playing roles that fit within the structure but are disliked, different, or portrayed by a person that is disliked or different. That does not produce good role play, that produces factionbots.

You're my new best friend Maelstrom.

The golden rule was that nobody can judge another's RP but the Admins.

It should stay that way.

Forever.