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Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - Zapp - 05-01-2008
That doesn't say who makes most of 'em -- Outcasts. The Outcast shipyards pump out by far the most Sabres, perhaps as much as 90 - 95%. Now, one or two Freelancers/Civilian-types I can understand, but a bunch? As many as there are Outcasts? Nu-uh, not happening.
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - AdamantineFist - 05-01-2008
What it means is that the Outcasts may produce them in large numbers, yet they do not have a monopoly on the production and sale of Borderworlds craft. The Zoners are likely the second largest producers of them.
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - Dopamino - 05-01-2008
Of course they produce the most! Freelancers, Zoners, civilians and other independents don't need to equip a huge fleet!
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - Athenian - 05-02-2008
My Zoner character got hassled in Omi Gamma because Corsairs "got jumpy" around his Borderworld Transport. In fact their justification for "not liking" my ship was that borderworld equals outcast, even though this ship is available from a GMG base.
It's coming to the point where each ship will have a list of the factions that can buy it, because people are deciding to use ship-make rather than tag,id and character as a basis for RP.
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - sovereign - 05-02-2008
' Wrote:Sovereign, I don't think you understand what we've been saying. Borderworlds ship are just advanced civilian ships, built especially for harsh environment. Basically Civilian ships are for flying in the houses where combat and other dangers can be expected to be minimal. Borderworlds ships are for going into, well, the Borderworlds. The Borderworlds are wild and dangerous, so anybody who goes there will need a ship better suited for that environment, namely, the BW ship line.
So when you hear BW, think Civilian, not Outcast.
That's actually what I've gotten out of this thread, but I wanted to make a point that Bundschuh are not Outcast aligned- something that helps the last line you wrote there. If we aren't Outcast, and are instead trying to keep Outcast/Corsair neutrality, it wouldn't make too much sense to use Outcast ships/weapons, now would it? Therefore, either vanilla is wrong *snort* or BW != Outcast.
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - Doom - 05-02-2008
i tend to agree that Border worlds doesn't mean outcasts, but there is one blank that needs to be filled...Who is making them?...
Also, people like to think Eagle is Zoner ship...game surely supports that idea by placing it on freeport 9, and NPCs fly it mostly in Border worlds...
But in its description is mentioned Liberty...
Quote: Price: 1928130 - CTE -6000 "Eagle" Civilian Very Heavy Fighter
The Eagle stands vigil over the economic interests and, therefore, the ideological interests of Liberty. With its maxed-out power rating and reinforced armor plating, it is the most sophisticated and advanced vessel in the Civilian class. All in all, it delivers the maximum defensive potential and punishing offensive firepower that credits can buy.
So one could wonder...is that ship made by zoners and fulfills Liberty civilian requirements...or is it made by one of Liberty corporations and happen to be sold on freeport just cause game creators didn't want for you to discover it too early in SP game?...didn't anybody notice how ships got stronger and stronger how you discovered more of Sirius?...
Then again...Hawk is sold in Kusari ONLY, Falcon in Rheinland (ignoring guard systems), and Griffin in Kusari...adding more to the confusion...
Same is with Border worlds ships...
IMO those ships aren't too important for SP story and game developers didn't pay so much attention to who will fly what ship and where...they belong to hated generic ship lines...and with partial descriptions from vanilla game and our own descriptions from the mod, along with selling places only contributed to general confusion...
I call it game limitations and best is to play by the feeling...
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - McNeo - 05-02-2008
Corsairs see many Borderworlds ships in their HUD firing shots against them, so I wouldn't be surprised if they got jumpy for your ship type alone. What do you think would happen if a FL IDd, Untagged Titan showed up in Bretonia and hung around a little bit? I think the BPA might take a certain interest in that pilot, thats for sure.
Same with anything that says "borderworlds" as far as most Corsairs, including my character, is concerned.
Howabout renaming them "Outcast Alliance" line of ships, seeing as those are really the only people that use them. Those that are tied closer to the Outcasts than the Corsairs in some way, groups ranging from the Hackers to the Bundschuh.
It would certainly solve the problem of ship line creation, at least in the short term if not indefinately.
If you think as a Corsair would, shooting up Outcasts left and right, and perhaps getting shot up too, then those Outcasts are usually in Boarderworlds ships. Hence, this line of ship happens to be associated with the Outcasts.
A Freelancer in a Sabre is fine, but I would expect the garrison of Corsairs would be pretty triggerhappy if that showed up on scanners, even if everything else (loadout, IDs and tags) were faultless. Since you can only get the ship from the Outcasts and their allies right now, its safe to assume that the pilot has visited these bases, correct?
Though the Borderworlds transport is sold on a GMG base, the mere mention of borderworlds is synonymous with the other word, Sabre, hence you have this result. It may be undesirable for some, but it is logical in the current circumstances.
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - AdamantineFist - 05-02-2008
I still think that's a bit like the KNF jumping on every Eagle they see because the GC use civvie ships exclusively. I think that the Outcastness of the BW line should be downplayed, and they should be regarded more neutrally.
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - sovereign - 05-03-2008
' Wrote:Howabout renaming them "Outcast Alliance" line of ships, seeing as those are really the only people that use them. Those that are tied closer to the Outcasts than the Corsairs in some way, groups ranging from the Hackers to the Bundschuh.
*twitch*
Bundschuh = neutral as far as Outcast/Corsair goes. As long as you don't beat up on the Hessians when we're around, and quite often even then, we don't care. Oh yeah, my Bundschuh will also shoot you up if you attack a civilian transport (transport carrying passengers), but he'll do that no matter who you are- even a fellow Bundschuh.
Bundschuh have Borderworlds line because the Hessians handed it down. If low level versions of Hessian fighters are created, then Bundschuh could switch to those (a lot of us already fly Odins and Thors, myself included) and they could be renamed as such. But while a neutral group uses them, they shouldn't be named after something decidedly not neutral.
Borderworld Does Not Mean Outcast - AdamantineFist - 05-03-2008
Freelancers are a neutral group.