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"Defense of Leeds" - Pancakes - 08-19-2012
' Wrote:Thats a good point. Everything is set in stone by now.
Not exactly everything, but there are stuff that probably won't be changed. Minor alternations can still be done.
"Defense of Leeds" - Lonely_Ghost - 08-19-2012
Bretonia gona fall....lets try to assume how many players, who like Bretonia will leav.
Srly, why Leeds should fall? Why Liberty wont help Bretonia, having information, that they are probably next target? Liberty can afford to devide their fleet, to provide help for Bretonia, in same time, not to lay down pressure to Rheinland's forces.
Council+CR remaints+KuExiles+ May be even Mollys can be used also as help against Gallia. Bombers, fightgers and may be even gunships. Caps better move to Bretonia's fleet.
BTW, tau 23 still has OCs. Having not capital but snub forces, they can harm to Gallia too.
"Defense of Leeds" - Lennox - 08-19-2012
' Wrote:Bretonia gona fall....lets try to assume how many players, who like Bretonia will leav.
Srly, why Leeds should fall? Why Liberty wont help Bretonia, having information, that they are probably next target? Liberty can afford to devide their fleet, to provide help for Bretonia, in same time, not to lay down pressure to Rheinland's forces.
Council+CR remaints+KuExiles+ May be even Mollys can be used also as help against Gallia. Bombers, fightgers and may be even gunships. Caps better move to Bretonia's fleet.
BTW, tau 23 still has OCs. Having not capital but snub forces, they can harm to Gallia too.
If you always take the whining and QQ into account, not anything would be existing anywhere, I can imagine. And there are a lot of other possibilities to continue doing stuffz in Bretonia. Mind you, it's not the end of the world. And restricting the storyline because of egoistic behavior (or whatever it is), is...well. Dumb.
Nobody can reach anything with that. And still. Give Leeds a new paint. 8|
It'll be the opposite of what you call ragequitting, at least in my opinion I can imagine that. I am all for restructuring Bretonia a little. No need to flip out.
"Defense of Leeds" - Lonely_Ghost - 08-19-2012
' Wrote:If you always take the whining and QQ into account, not anything would be existing anywhere, I can imagine. And there are a lot of other possibilities to continue doing stuffz in Bretonia. Mind you, it's not the end of the world. And restricting the storyline because of egoistic behavior (or whatever it is), is...well. Dumb.
Nobody can reach anything with that. And still. Give Leeds a new paint. 8|
It'll be the opposite of what you call ragequitting, at least in my opinion I can imagine that. I am all for restructuring Bretonia a little. No need to flip out.
I do belive, that you have mass of ideas in your head about what can be done in Bretonia, even if whole Leeds under GRN control...
However, having Leeds devided into two sides would be much more intresting, that just set up GRN ownership on every base.
Make it like in 85 way. Destroy lane to Edinburg, and make there GRN enter point till JG to NL. North borderline can be moved to Stokes, and enforce protection of LD 14. Put one stationar Valor behind Edinburg Gate. Or make something like this. Such progres in storyline much better, yet its slower, than just make all bases in GRN owner, and add Leeds to conquered space.
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Yeah, its Vanila FL map, I think this picture can show my point.
"Defense of Leeds" - Matthews - 08-19-2012
I'd like to give you a rough view of the allies Bretonia has. For the first part there is Liberty, given they haven't really sent much but inRP there is at least one BS in Bretonia, dimi's Pacifica. Furthermore there is the Coalation, there's just been negotiated a NAP. They have good possibilities to hurt the gallic supply lines. Then we have the OCs, they're, same as SCRA, not exactly allies but they have the same enemy. Then we have the council, CR and maybe even the Mollys once they realise that gallia won't consider them.
In my opinion gallia has waited to long to steamroll Bretonia. This is something that should be reflected with some of those changes fallen proposed. The main thing that disturbes me is that planet Leeds has been fortified since .85 and there is nothing showing that. If the defenders have good positions they can hold of an enemy force which is bigger in numbers and i believe the Bretonia fleets are positioned well as soon as MacDuff is repostioned from the overprotected Newcastle.
I'm sure there are other good ideas out there and i'm sorry if i threw some wildly together in my post, but i'm tired and cba to pick them apart right now.
"Defense of Leeds" - Lonely_Ghost - 08-19-2012
Quote:The main thing that disturbes me is that planet Leeds has been fortified since .85 and there is nothing showing that. If the defenders have good positions they can hold of an enemy force which is bigger in numbers and i believe the Bretonia fleets are positioned well as soon as MacDuff is repostioned from the overprotected Newcastle.
It's remember's me good old SW EAW... Rebel's ion cannon to disable cap ship. Hipervelocity gun, with nice damage effect.
Well, Bretonia still has Newcastle....as I rember, there was a planet, like Omi Alpha has in nebula, with poison in every plant and every lake. And planet have been visited by Bretonians. I think, in ~3000 year, bio weapon wont be a problem to be made ?
"Defense of Leeds" - SMI-Great.Fox - 08-20-2012
This idea has my full support.
Excellent planning and input Fallen.
"Defense of Leeds" - Hone - 08-20-2012
Some of these are good ideas, but it seems it would be better to put the BS at LD14 rather than on the lane. the only thing Id be concerend about, is that if this was changed, then it would be roleplayed, E.G: EVents focusing on moving the BSs, an oppertunity for a convoy attack. As for the base, if you want it, bretonia can build a player owned one like Goldern Coin.
"Defense of Leeds" - Pancakes - 08-20-2012
' Wrote:I do belive, that you have mass of ideas in your head about what can be done in Bretonia, even if whole Leeds under GRN control...
However, having Leeds devided into two sides would be much more intresting, that just set up GRN ownership on every base.
Make it like in 85 way. Destroy lane to Edinburg, and make there GRN enter point till JG to NL. North borderline can be moved to Stokes, and enforce protection of LD 14. Put one stationar Valor behind Edinburg Gate. Or make something like this. Such progres in storyline much better, yet its slower, than just make all bases in GRN owner, and add Leeds to conquered space.
Yeah, its Vanila FL map, I think this picture can show my point.
You don't seem to understand the difference in the forces between GRN to the rest. GRN got 500 battleships - Bretonia got 15. Even if you count Council's battleships in Sirius that only adds 5 to it. Add Kusari exiles and you have 25 Battleships against the enemy's 500.
GRN also got more snub forces than all the others, and as for your question: "Why Leeds should fall?" I can answer it easily enough - Leeds should fall since Leeds was halfway there when the GRN attacked, and that was done by KNF forces who aren't even quarter the size of the GRN - that's why.
Also, you can't count on Mollys to help, since mollys signed a NAP with GRN| too, not to mention they have to worry more about the Corsairs who are making a serious advance in the direction of Bretonia.
"Defense of Leeds" - Dane Summers - 08-20-2012
Change the map - Leeds should fall, and New London should become the front line.
We need change, not further reinforcement of the same tired war we already know.